Reaching a difficult lie

[tweedsider]

Any proffesional casters out there have an answer to the following problem. Tail of a large pool on a medium river deep water on the left bank where we are standing. A number of large boulders form Vees in about 3ft of water. Problem an alder bush prevents spey casting while a high bank behind restricts overhead casting. Took a good fish from the lie right against the far bank earlier this week but most back casts end up catching bank top thistles. Would not like to cut down bush in case it spoils the lie.

[salmonking]

If you dont cut the bush ,i will ;D,cutting that bush won't affect the lie.

[tweedsider]

salmonking said:

If you dont cut the bush ,i will ;D,cutting that bush won't affect the lie.

Salmonking leave the bush that is concealment from the fish lying in the shallow water at the tail. I thought you were time served with Wullie Miller? I had thought about an 18ft rod?

[fishingd0]

Try the perry poke. An american cast, but it does do the job in tight spaces.

web.mac.com/speycaster/iWeb/SpeytoZ/Perry%20Poke_Med%20Res.html

[salmonking]

tweedsider said:

salmonking said:

If you dont cut the bush ,i will ;D,cutting that bush won't affect the lie.

Salmonking leave the bush that is concealment from the fish lying in the shallow water at the tail. I thought you were time served with Wullie Miller? I had thought about an 18ft rod?

THE HIGH BANK BEHIND IS ENOUGH CONCELMENT,,,IVE TOLD YOU NOT TO WEAR THAT COUNCIL VEST??? ;D

[tweedsider]

Thanks fishando that was the answer I was hoping for rather than the caustic comments from salmonking Tight lines fromTweedsider

fishingd0 said:

Try the perry poke. An american cast, but it does do the job in tight spaces.

web.mac.com/speycaster/iWeb/SpeytoZ/Perry%20Poke_Med%20Res.html

[tweedsider]

Hello salmonking with a hat like that it would take the Bank of Scotland never mind a high bank for concealment ;D

[rpsalmon]

Sorry, I've looked the video but all I can see is an American with limited spey casting abilities. Am I missing something?

[tweedsider]

Hello rpsalmon I have not been clever enough to show this yet but will take your word for it. Lurking in the back of my mind is something called the steeple cast, does it exist? Is it a vertical backcast? Or did I dream it after a night on the Irish black stuff?

[robbie]

Difficult to visualise, Where is the bush- Upstream of you or down? if it is upstream, can you not use a Snake Roll? or have I got it all wrong Your Hi Viz Jacket will be most useful when you chop the bush down - The Health and Safety Police will insist on it. SKs hat doesnt count - it needs to be a Hard Hat
ATB
Robbie

[salmonking]

The bush is situated half way down the pool,right at the point
the d loop is formed ,the fish tend to lie at the tail(smooth glide)
so minimal disturbance required.
The bush is bang on where you cover the lie most effectively.

[robbie]

Out with the chain saw!

[salmonking]

Did you get that Tweedsider ;D

[tweedsider]

Cut that down and I have told you privately what will happen

[fishingd0]

rpsalmon said:

Sorry, I've looked the video but all I can see is an American with limited spey casting abilities. Am I missing something?

RPS, I was not trying to demonstrate the qualities of that particular angler, just showing a type of cast that may come in useful in certain situations.

The Perry poke is not my favourite cast, but by dumping the line in front of you, as shown in the video, it allows you to come back into the d-loop slightly further forward than with a standard Spey.

It does work.

[tweedsider]

Hello robbie yes I would love to be able to do the snake roll, I've dried it dry on grass the result being that I would indeed fall foul of the ealf and safety if I tried it with a hook. That young whippersnapper SK is determined to cut the bush down, he'll stand to close to that chain saw one of these days and end up singing soprano. Anyway I did take a ten pounder from under the far bank on Monday night in the rare occasion when the backcast missed the thistle skyline, so it can be done without a chain saw. However thanks to the advice from forum members I will attempt to master some of the techniques mentioned in replies. Thanks to all Tweedsider

[rpsalmon]

Dear fishingd0
I had visions of that casting expert charging $100 per session to teach a dozen different casts over a dozen lessons, when all he had to do was teach the spey cast.

I learned how to cast by watching anglers and getting tips from them and books, then you just had to use your brain and practice. No videos to help then. I have since seen casting videos and found some of them very interesting. One angler I came across learned to cast very very well in about a month and he put it down to videos, hard work and practice.

I'll forget the "Perry Poke" and stick to a slightly adjusted spey cast, unless I am going to wind someone up on the river bank.

[fishingd0]

RPS

I am the same, learned by watching the very best in the speycasting world, which seems to have payed off.

Just you stick to your way of casting, don't try and over compilcate things.