ATTACHING FLYLINE TO BACKING

[roeangler]

HI GUYS WHAT WAY WOULD YOU RECOMEMD I JOIN MY FLYLINE TO THE BACKING I HAVE BOUGHT A BULK SPOOL OF AIRFLO MICRO POLY BACKING THE FLOUROSCENT ORANGE STUFF AND WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT WOULD BE BEST

[jollyrodger]

Hello Roeangler,
I use a nail knot to attach my flyline to backing. Try this link for an animated demo on how to tie it.
www.orvis.com/orvis_assets/files/index.html

[speycaster]

i push the line inside the backing and whip it 3 or four times add a coat of varnish and bobs your uncle , or the usuall loop to loop will surfice ,billy p

[roeangler]

THANKS GUYS

[splash]

roeangler said:

HI GUYS WHAT WAY WOULD YOU RECOMEMD I JOIN MY FLYLINE TO THE BACKING I HAVE BOUGHT A BULK SPOOL OF AIRFLO MICRO POLY BACKING THE FLOUROSCENT ORANGE STUFF AND WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT WOULD BE BEST

Hi roeangler. I have used most of the different ways mentioned over the last few years and have come to the conclusion that by far the best way to do this is to create a large loop in the backing using a bimini twist and join this to a small loop in the flyline created by two small nailknots. The alternative is to use a double catch loop using 50lb gudebrod braided nylon or a blind dacron loop but I tend to use this system only for shooting heads or for rigging my 15 weight tuna lines. The above system has the following advantages:

1. It is very neat and will pass through the rings no problem at all
2. It is the strongest connection that you can use and should never fail when you have lots of line and backing out.
3. Its very easy to change lines by passing the reel through the large loop created by the bimimi twist
4. The nail knots are both stronger than a whipping and will embed in the actual coating of the flyline over time creating a very neat and strong connection

I have used the system for all my saltwater gear and when bonefishing and tuna fishing where your backing knot passes through the rings on virtually every fish, it has never let me down. The bimini is not difficult to tie once you have practiced it a few times

cheers

Splash

[Sloggi]

I put a poly leader on the end of the fly line and just tie the backing on.

[ceilidh]

I use the same method as Splash, except that I use a bowline for the big loop in the backing, then whip the knots with kevlar tying thread, and complete with a very light coating of thinned Aquasure, which gives a very smooth finish.

[ibm59]

A wee stripped and whipped loop does just fine . Don't overdo the whipping or you'll end up with a rigid joint which doesn't like being dragged backwards and forwards through the top eye at an angle. A very light coat of Aquasure completes the job.

[splash]

ceilidh said:

I use the same method as Splash, except that I use a bowline for the big loop in the backing, then whip the knots with kevlar tying thread, and complete with a very light coating of thinned Aquasure, which gives a very smooth finish.

Hi Ceilidh. What do you use to thin the aquasure? A chemical solvent or the hairdryer?

cheers

Splash

[ceilidh]

Hi Splash,
Had to ask this question myself on another thread a wee while back!
The answer is 'Toluene' which is available from diving shops and is used, together with Aquasure, for repairing wetsuits. I have a link somewhere to a retailer who supplies small quantities of this in a pack together with half sized tubes of Aquasure, which saves a lot of waste.
With due apologies for going 'off topic' I will post the link in this thread when I can find it!

[splash]

ceilidh said:

Hi Splash,
Had to ask this question myself on another thread a wee while back!
The answer is 'Toluene' which is available from diving shops and is used, together with Aquasure, for repairing wetsuits. I have a link somewhere to a retailer who supplies small quantities of this in a pack together with half sized tubes of Aquasure, which saves a lot of waste.
With due apologies for going 'off topic' I will post the link in this thread when I can find it!

Cheers Ceildh, watch and not inhale too much when using toluene

[ceilidh]

I have now found the link to supplier of Toluene, which is
www.ewetsuits.com/
I have ordered from this company before and had rapid and efficient service. despite the fact that one can freeze and defrost the normal sized tubes of Aquasure I always find that I waste a great deal. The packs with smaller tubes are slightly more expensive to buy, but cheaper in the long run.

[barkingcollie]

Toluene......as in Tri-nitro ?

[para1]

Bare about 3 to 4 inches of your fly line by removing the outer covering using nail varnish remover.
Form a loop in the core that you have bared, tie on backing using a blood knot or similar, cover the knot in the loop with shrink tube.
Easy Peasy, have used this method for years with no regrets.
I also do this at the leader end as well.

[Bogyoch]

Albright knot is easy: www.netknots.com/html/fishing_knots.html

[Fruin]

Strip the end of the fly line by soaking it in nail varnish remover for 10 minutes or so, and stripping with your nails. This can also bee done by tying a bit of leader material to the fly line a few inches from the end, so that it bites into the fly line coating, and then pulling in towards the end of the fly line to strip 'peel' the coating off.

Once stripped, use the bare core and the end of the backing material can be joined by tying a double grinner knot; very strong and neat, slipping throung the rod rings easily. You can add a small bit of glue for an even more reliable knot, but only a very small bit of glue is required.

[albyn73]

On the older lines it was possible just to hold the fly line down with your thumb nail and strip the PVC off. But the newer lines your always better to use nail varnish remover, it has to have "Acetone" in it though, otherwise its a long job. When the plastic is removed dip the line into cold water, this neutralises the acetone thats left on the line, and any glue you use adhere's better. I usually form a loop using the core of the fly line, and spin the bobbin holder round the line to whip a taper shape behind the loop, glue and finsh off, if the core might be a bit soft i dip it in to "poly vynil sealant" this stiffens it up and makes it easier, specially on the front end for your loop to loop, for when you want to take apart. i just do a half blood on the reel end on to the backing, its never failed yet, i used to stitch through the core back on its self to make a loop, it would never break...!

[ger]

Nail knot or Albright knot (more commonly used in sea fishing but very useful for joining different materials with different diameters together). Here's a link illustrating the Albright knot. Depending on the thickness of the backing, 5 or 6 turns is usually enough.

www.animatedknots.com/albright/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

GC

[splash]

ger said:

Nail knot or Albright knot (more commonly used in sea fishing but very useful for joining different materials with different diameters together). Here's a link illustrating the Albright knot. Depending on the thickness of the backing, 5 or 6 turns is usually enough.

www.animatedknots.com/albright/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com

GC

Allbrights are ok and quick to tie but are not the strongest knot around and are bulky due to the doubled fly line which can catch in the rod rings

[builnacraig]

seatroutfishing.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=advice&action=display&thread=1178113252

This link from the sea trout forum shows a good idea with heat shrink tubing. I have ordered some from the ebay site to give it a try, looks like a neat job.