Multi tip lines

[grahamrobertson]

Hi folks,

I am looking for a little advice from the people who know best.
I fancy trying a multi tip fly line (10/11#) to save carrying around all the usual gear.
Can anyone recommend any???

I am a bit concerned about having all of these joints in the line so your opinions would be appreciated.

Cheers

Graham

[Sloggi]

Hi Graham

Welcome to the forum

I have a Loop Quattro which is pretty good - no problems with catching in the rings. Quite a short head so easy to cast.

Another option would be to buy a floater and buy varying density poly-leaders separately.

However, I can already hear "Monteith Line" coming hurtling towards this thread - it is much loved on here by people who would know.

[macd]

welcome aboard, i hope you enjoy the froum- gets a bit prickly from time to time, but is the place to ask for advice from guys that fish a lot.

Monteith multi tip. I love it.

Sloggi is right, there are a growing band of devotees to this set up on the forum; but dont be swayed by popular opinion alone. The good news is that we have ( thanks to springer) a 'line pool'

So you can try before you buy . send him a pm and you can have a loan of the monteith for a week. He has managed to gather several lines for forum members to try out before they fall into an impulse purchase. Take advantage and drop him a line. I bought the monteith after trying it from the line pool.

macd
tight lines

[salmonking]

Hi Graham, Monteith for me....i had the same thoughts as yourself
but purchased one anyway...three of my other lines have been sold on,though i have kept two carron lines,,don't know if ill ever use them again,as I'm so taken by the j m mt,great line ,the loops are no hassle whatsoever,and the marker sleeve is a great idea
also beats carrying spare spools,RECOMMENDED .

[grahamrobertson]

Cheers guys,

Thanks for the welcome and the advice.
I take it there ain't many "RIO" fans out there then?
I have had a look around and the Monteith line sounds impressive.

I must say Springer I think you line pool is a great idea. I dread to think about how much hard earned cash I have blown over the years on gear thats hardly ever seen the light of day. I will certainly be in touch to take you up on your offer, although I may wait until I know I am heading for a nice bit of water where I can really put the line through it's paces.

Tight lines folks

[splash]

grahamrobertson said:

Cheers guys,

Thanks for the welcome and the advice.
I take it there ain't many "RIO" fans out there then?
I have had a look around and the Monteith line sounds impressive.

I must say Springer I think you line pool is a great idea. I dread to think about how much hard earned cash I have blown over the years on gear thats hardly ever seen the light of day. I will certainly be in touch to take you up on your offer, although I may wait until I know I am heading for a nice bit of water where I can really put the line through it's paces.

Tight lines folks

Got to say that I still think the Midspey multi tip is a good line if a little heavy. However if you downsize by one (ie 9/10 on most 10/11 rated rods) then tighter loops are generally easier to create. Their multi tip shooting head is also a reasonable line although it does land with a bit of a bang

[clyde-rod]

I am looking to buy a multi tip line as well. i am trying to decide if i want to get a shooting head or a spey line. I already have a rio windcutter and i find it a good line. I like the head to be around 55-62 feet, because i fish in treelined areas. I am interested in the monteith line, could anyone tell me the price and the head length. Any other reccommendations would be great. It is for use with a 14ft greys greyflex.

thanks Ryan

[robmason]

Ryan until I've tried it all this Monteith stuff is hype

If price is a consideration, I recommend looking out for the Airflo Delta Spey tips line on ebay. I got mine for 40 odd quid- a real bargain. It has a reasonably short head length, ideal for the circumstances you describe.

[clyde-rod]

I thought i would give a shooying head a go, after a friend telling me about them. I got the power taper dual float and the ridged running line from guideline. I find it good to cast but i am unsure if i have made the right decision. It casts well although i think i should have stuck with the spey line and just got a multi tip. I don't mind the thin running line but i like to fish my line in close to my own bank as well as the far side, so i find it hard to get used to not being able to do this with the shooting head. Although, i will give it a go anyway.

[kercock]

Sound advice from Ross there, I have the Montieth and find it superb.Others have tried it out of curiosity and been very impressed,including some of the top guns down on the Scone Palace waters and they are VERY finicky about their lines.

[rennie]

Eh up grahamrobertson,firstly you have to ask yourself why you would want such a line then what you want from it,which you have and its flexibility.Cards on the table here,I am a hard core Rio fan fishing with an Accelerator multi-tip(sadly no longer available)and a Mid Spey multi-tip I also fish with Poly-tips a lot too.I have both cast and fished with for more than a full day with the Loop Quatro and the Monteith(fishing with the latter was unplanned and totally unexpected).
Right in terms of ultimate presentation/delicacy and less in the way of depth control first off consider a floater and poly-tips,for ease of use and cost top marks not too good for depth control tho. if you need to get more depth use the poly-tips on an intermediate.Second choice try the Loop lovely line to cast better for depth control cost effective compared to some,you could put the Airflo in here.Next the Monteith,cracking line well worth the wonga cant fault it presents the fly really well.Now lastly and my choice the Rio Mid Spey,technically a smidge behind the Monteith not as delicate but more flexible lots more scope for depth control (as was the Accelerator,I was lucky enough to obtain the longer front heads to increase flexibility).Personally Thats what its all about i.m.h.o. flexibility and the ability to get depth if you need to,some multi-tips are really good but fall a bit short on getting down stakes,I would fish the Tweed in Autumn with a Mid-Spey(I do) or early spring and it would cope with all but the most demanding of tasks.The Monteith is I think better suited to maybe a shallower river such as the Dee again in all but the most demanding of tasks.Now as far as loops rattling thro. the rod rings go,not a problem you soon acclimatise,it helps if you lower your rod point a little as you wind a loop(s) down the rod.
Just bear in mind a multi-tip wont or shouldn't make your sinkers redundant,they are another string to your bow,right time right place etc. etc.If it helps any fishing from shallow to deep water multi-tip,deep water under your bank full sinker,big broad stream full sinker,lots of mending multi-tip,fishing tight to the far bank multi-tip and fishing in high cold water full sinker,if you fish in a strong stream with a multi-tip as you swing round below you the current will start to lift your fly in the water.
Remember this is all a generalization keep an open mind,don't be afraid to experiment.Lastly as I touched on what about a range of lines(float,inter,sink etc.) and poly-tips as needed,lots of choice and flexibility there.

[castlikeaghille]

rennie said:

Eh up grahamrobertson,firstly you have to ask yourself why you would want such a line then what you want from it,which you have and its flexibility.Cards on the table here,I am a hard core Rio fan fishing with an Accelerator multi-tip(sadly no longer available)and a Mid Spey multi-tip I also fish with Poly-tips a lot too.I have both cast and fished with for more than a full day with the Loop Quatro and the Monteith(fishing with the latter was unplanned and totally unexpected).
Right in terms of ultimate presentation/delicacy and less in the way of depth control first off consider a floater and poly-tips,for ease of use and cost top marks not too good for depth control tho. if you need to get more depth use the poly-tips on an intermediate.Second choice try the Loop lovely line to cast better for depth control cost effective compared to some,you could put the Airflo in here.Next the Monteith,cracking line well worth the wonga cant fault it presents the fly really well.Now lastly and my choice the Rio Mid Spey,technically a smidge behind the Monteith not as delicate but more flexible lots more scope for depth control (as was the Accelerator,I was lucky enough to obtain the longer front heads to increase flexibility).Personally Thats what its all about i.m.h.o. flexibility and the ability to get depth if you need to,some multi-tips are really good but fall a bit short on getting down stakes,I would fish the Tweed in Autumn with a Mid-Spey(I do) or early spring and it would cope with all but the most demanding of tasks.The Monteith is I think better suited to maybe a shallower river such as the Dee again in all but the most demanding of tasks.Now as far as loops rattling thro. the rod rings go,not a problem you soon acclimatise,it helps if you lower your rod point a little as you wind a loop(s) down the rod.
Just bear in mind a multi-tip wont or shouldn't make your sinkers redundant,they are another string to your bow,right time right place etc. etc.If it helps any fishing from shallow to deep water multi-tip,deep water under your bank full sinker,big broad stream full sinker,lots of mending multi-tip,fishing tight to the far bank multi-tip and fishing in high cold water full sinker,if you fish in a strong stream with a multi-tip as you swing round below you the current will start to lift your fly in the water.
Remember this is all a generalization keep an open mind,don't be afraid to experiment.Lastly as I touched on what about a range of lines(float,inter,sink etc.) and poly-tips as needed,lots of choice and flexibility there.

Just interested to know why you think the Rio M/S has more options over depth than the Menteith? I own and fish with both lines. I now only use the Rio on very windy days (Gales) where it still has the edge (pure brawn) over the Jocky M. On depth, the Rio has a type 8 tip (Menteith has a maximum 6). However, the only compensator in the Rio is the intermediate. If you set up the Jocky M with 10' intermediate, 10' sink and 10' of fast sink it will fish deeper than a Rio with 12' intermediate and 15' of type 8 becasue there is more hinge avoidance (through graduation) in the Jocky M set up. Of course, you could, like me on occassion, use the type Rio 8 tip on the Jocky M, as long as you aren't deep wading you can fish with it (albeit a combination for my 16' rather than the 15')

Regardeth

CLaG

[rennie]

Eh up clag n springer,good stuff there from you both will be buying the monteith when the time is right I like it lots,interesting permutations to get depth with the jocky m,I do use my 30ft rio heads on the compensator to get right down when using my beloved accelerator but neither the heads or that line are available any more (wont help mr. Robertson there),also lashed a polytip to the type 6 from time to time,like I said experimenting is the key.One small nit picky thunk here,perhaps we have all made the assumption mr. Robertson wants to or can cast a lash up to get depth (no offense intended here),just my thought that the Rio is a touch more versatile as it is intended to be fished but as I said I consider the monteith a technically better line.Beers all round,Pedro.

[colliedog]

Been using Rio midspey multitips for a few years now - when they burn out I will probably consider the JM as a replacement as it is a cracking line.

Where the Rio is definitely the business is handling heavy flies - it is not the most subtle line, but then sometimes salmon fishing is not a subtle game. I haven't had a chance to use the JM with heavy stuff - comments please???

Where delicate presentation and lighter flies are called for I much prefer a full floater (Snowbee 2D) and 10' polytips over the Rio.

CD

[robmason]

This has just reminded me...forgotten to ask springer for a loan of the Monteith for early next week.

[robmason]

Fantastic- thank you Alan, Jock and Dennis!

Tight lines.

Rob

[kercock]

This is what ghillies should be all about,,,,,,,,helping.

[windy]

kercock said:

This is what ghillies should be all about,,,,,,,,helping.

Too true, although not always the case. I replaced my old midspey this year with the Montieth Multi tip and on my first trip out with it to the Tay, being a bit daunted by the head selection, I asked the ghillie if he knew anything about it. Once the swearing and spitting had stopped I went off and figured it out for myself, nothing like a bit of ghillie rivalry.
Anyway, although I haven't had nearly enough time to try out all the head combinations, I am delighted with my purchase. I find it far more enjoyable to fish with than my midspey, smoother to cast and far better presentation, I almost forget I am using a multi tip which is something that my midspey wouldn't let me forget. In defence of the midspey, mine was very old, at the end of its life and had no intermediate comp bit, so I am comparing old tired technology with new, my midspey was a great line in its day and it is likely that if I had bought a new midspey I would have liked it too.

I am sure that after you try you will buy.

Windy

[grahamrobertson]

It's nice to see so many people out there are willing to help and give advice to all of us less experienced guys.

Cheers

Graham