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Post by JAD on Oct 11, 2007 17:05:56 GMT
T7...I've caught 2 Salmon this year..one on the spinner and one on the fly...one of the Salmon I caught was returned and the other one is in my freezer....  Tight lines JAD |
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Post by altmor on Oct 11, 2007 17:24:53 GMT
Just seen this on the seatrout forum (Hoppy's): Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act 1975 (2) Subject to subsections (3) and ( 5 ) below, any person who- (a) knowingly takes. kills or injures or attempts to take, kill or injure, any salmon, trout or freshwater fish which is unclean or immature, commits an offence. Part VI "unclean" in relation to any fish means that the fish is about to spawn, or has recently spawned and has not recovered from spawning. I suppose it could be argued that any fish upon entering a river is 'about to spawn' but I think it means 'coloured' fish. Worth thinking about when one is about to chap a salmon, whether it's your first or fiftieth. Like many aspects of law (and I am most definitely not a lawyer ) this appears very much open to interpretation. My understanding of an unclean fish for the purposes of this act would be a gravid fish - ie one on the point of spawning, normally identifiable through the fact that it discharges milt or eggs when handled. some of you may remember a case from a number of years ago when a ghillie on a Dee beat was charged under this act on account of having a number of very coloured fish in his possession - the prosecution failed, at least partly I think on the grounds that the definition of unclean had not been met (and possibly not even established as a point of law). This has probably been taken as some sort of test case as I have never heard of a similar case being brought since. Any yes, like most of us, I would be found "guilty as charged" for such "offences" in my younger, naiver days. Well done JAD - first fish on the fly is always memorable. CD Both good referrals of advice - that from T7 and that from Colliedog. I think, as seems to be the consensus on this thread, a heinous crime has by no means been committed and in context of JAD's last post here - 2 fish caught, one returned, one kept, that may by the looks of it have been in the river a couple of weeks, but don't loose sight of the achievement - 1st on the fly - well done I say JAD. It's not like JAD's fly rod can be likened to the drift nets, nor for that matter, some of the more experienced fishers we see / hear of who will take more numbers and more coloured fish than we see in the photo above. By all accounts, they are the ones to whom any criticism should be directed. Altmor. |
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Post by stoater on Oct 11, 2007 18:33:51 GMT
Glad to see JAD has been largely vindicated.
As an aside, until I had a new garage built some years back, wifey permitted me to keep and use an enormous home-made cold smoker, in which I "cured" quite a lot of salmon, seatrout and trout. Some of these specimens were "river fish", but once they had spent 24hrs hanging in that thing, they tasted bloody gorgeous!
Times move on, and sadly the dismantling of "the monster" was a condition of building a new garage, under Her conditions. Nowadays my retained fish are "professionally" smoked, and sliced to boot! I used to love gnawing on a side of "treated" fish, with a glass or two of my hedgerow wine. mmmmm! lovely!
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Post by JAD on Oct 11, 2007 21:36:33 GMT
Thanks all....
Its is a bit off-putting when someone posts a photo of there first Salmon on the fly. And then some forum members start to criticise you.
When I first caught this Salmon I was so excited I just couldn't wait to show it to every one. After all its been neary three years of trying to catch one on the fly and now I have finally achieved my ambition.
By the way the photgraph was taken with my mobil phone and must admit its not a very good photograph. But I still think its a beautiful fish and it will stay in my memory for as long as I live.
Tight lines
JAD
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Post by altmor on Oct 11, 2007 21:54:22 GMT
Good for you JAD, and with your new and no doubt preferred method, may your next one be like this :  PS not the ghillie holding the fish .... the fish itself. |
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Post by scottyboy9nro on Oct 11, 2007 22:06:20 GMT
wit a fish, thats wit a want, that exact one duck me, peach m8 where u get it n wit on? tell me bout it, wit size is it?
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Post by dighty on Oct 11, 2007 22:18:35 GMT
Christ thats an ugly brute of a thing. Bonny fish though...
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Post by altmor on Oct 11, 2007 22:25:39 GMT
Scotty,
This fish was straight from the "Mike Tyson" school of fit fish. Hours out of the sea, and with a pull like a mule with a banger on it's tail. It weighed exactly 17lbs, and took a home tied red tagged cascade (size 8) from the McCordies pool on the River Ewe in May this year.
Took a good 15mins before we saw it, and when I did, I damn near passed wind with excitement !! (Clean version for the proboard rules ..... ).
Like Jad with his first fish, I'll never forget this one. There was great satisfaction watching the ghillie slipping it back after the photo, and it shot off with such power, you wouldn't have thought it had been fighting for the preceeding 20 mins.
Stick at it - these fish are the prize and you never forget the day.
Altmor.
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Post by altmor on Oct 11, 2007 22:35:18 GMT
Christ thats an ugly brute of a thing. Bonny fish though... ;D ;D ... Ahye, no bad ... but you wouldn't go saying that infront of him ... he makes that brute of a fish look like a grilse. ;D ;D ... hands like the proverbial JCB buckets, but a good ghillie all the same. |
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Post by juniorspey on Oct 11, 2007 22:52:04 GMT
is that no the pool where a MONSTOR of a fish was landed yonks ago??
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Post by JAD on Oct 11, 2007 23:17:32 GMT
Now thats a nice fish......I hope my second one on the fly will be like that one.... ;D
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Post by clydebuilt on Oct 12, 2007 4:54:30 GMT
That is one fine fish Altmor, something you'll never forget I'm sure. Here's my first ever Salmon on the fly, a night before home tied Gold bodied Willie Gunn, from the Bonhill pool on the River Leven. Poor picture but the fish was pretty dark, a quick photo and he swam away with the minimum of fuss. I was chuffed to bits, even better on a fly I tied myself too.  The old boy in the picture couldn't believe it went back..... he wanted it "chapped" |
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Post by donnieW on Oct 12, 2007 10:34:15 GMT
I had no choice with my first on the fly as I shouldn't have been where I was but thought I was "safe".  "Safe" should never have included the arrival of seven water bailiffs as I was about to land the fish. Really bad timing but I got off with it (after returning the fish) because the bailiffs were shocked at finding someone fly fishing. |
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Post by ibm59 on Oct 12, 2007 17:27:46 GMT
That is one fine fish Altmor, something you'll never forget I'm sure. Here's my first ever Salmon on the fly, a night before home tied Gold bodied Willie Gunn, from the Bonhill pool on the River Leven. Poor picture but the fish was pretty dark, a quick photo and he swam away with the minimum of fuss. I was chuffed to bits, even better on a fly I tied myself too. The old boy in the picture couldn't believe it went back..... he wanted it "chapped" Gawd almighty , J, you must have had a hard life since you caught that one . ;D Is that "Auld Rab " in the background ? B. ps. if anyone's in any doubt about the class of fish that the Leven can produce check out www.robbieredball.net under the sub headings of big fish and record fish. |
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Post by Willow Man on Oct 12, 2007 17:42:49 GMT
ibm59, those Leven fish are real specimens!  There are one or two fish on the Wear like that but they are rare in recent times.  The late eighties produced some of my best ever fish. Mind all my fish this year have been around the 15-20 lb mark. Never had a seatrout this year.  Regards WM |
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Post by clydebuilt on Oct 12, 2007 20:33:48 GMT
...Gawd almighty , J, you must have had a hard life since you caught that one . ;D Is that "Auld Rab " in the background ? B.... ;D ;D Aye, the stresses and strains of salmon fishing have taken their toll B ;D It wasn't Rab, some other old gadgie going for his morning papers, told me something about..." your no right in the heid son putting that back"................."aye OK" was the reply  |
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Post by ibm59 on Oct 13, 2007 21:31:06 GMT
some other old gadgie going for his morning papers Didn't know Jack , sorry Para1 , had a blue jersey ! ;D No more Sloe Gin for me then .  |
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Post by Aye Likely! on Oct 14, 2007 8:32:40 GMT
How can people give the man abuse about that fish? I know it may be a bit coloured but come on, it was his first fish on the fly and he was obviously chuffed to bits. Do you not remember your first time? How disappointing for him. There are obviously some people out there that haven't a good word to say about anything. This nonsense about coloured fish has gone too far. It's got to the point that you're paranoid now about what folk will think of any fish you might catch unless it happens to be a springer! It really wasn't that bad a fish. At the end of the day, it's only a fish. People eat them out of tins every day! Well done JAD. Hopefully the first of many! ;D
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Post by feroxfan on Oct 25, 2007 15:22:14 GMT
1st on fly, you are totally entitled to keep it, well done
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Post by cheyenne on Oct 31, 2007 20:05:52 GMT
 Me and a Danish guy with his first ever salmon, which was taken on a fly. Fishing a spinning rod with a steel weight and the fly on a dropper there's no way he was releasing that fish. |
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