COMPULSORY CATCH AND RELEASE

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These fellows are not into C&R but appealed to my sense of humour. Apologies if you've already seen it before but its worth watching again anyway.... ;D

www.landbigfish.com/jokes/showcase.cfm?ID=42

[sagecaster]

zephead said:

Splash,

Try it with some of those red Nigerian berry things I bought the other day-apparently they are good for blood pressure.Consumption has gone up considerably in the last hour since I logged on.

Different class!!! ;D ;D ;D

[sagecaster]

ibrox said:

Tell me I'm wrong but salmon are migratory fish and come inland to spawn not feed. We have all commented in the past about skinny grilse. They are findind it hard to find their natural food source IMO, which goes back to trawlers and the tons of sand eels which are caught and turned into fertilizer.EH!!! what a waste. What's wrong with good old fashioned sh#t!

These trawlers are destroying the natural habitiat and food source of the salmon.

It's all well and good fixing the problem on land, we need to look at the bigger picture.


Salmonking, the reason I C/R is because I want to.

Having a close friend who is a very keen salmon fisher and happens to be part of the biggest pelagic fleet of trawlers in western europe I can assure you that these guys are not catching smolts by the barrow load and dumping them overboard, there are no smolts getting caught with mackerel and it is disillusional to think that all problems are sea based. There is no conspiracy going on here.

The skinny grilse phenomena is currently being researched by St Andrews University, current thinking is that it has nothing to do with shortage of food and is more likely to be a pathogenic problem, hence its not food they are short of but they are diseased and cannot harness the food energy they consume. Current indications are that the problems pancreas based.

When looking at the bigger picture things are apparently not always what the seem.

[williegunn]

I understood the skinny grilse was caused by a change in the currents in the North Sea; a current coming from the north is weaker so the rich food supply where the currents meet is 100 miles or so further north. The grilse simply are not going far enough north to find the food supply. Hence this little chap

[fenton]

jjofspeyside said:

I am sorry but its time to stop killing fish for the table (buy them at Sainsburys instead), quote]

NO NO NO

Aside from the pros and cons of catch and release, surely the last thing we should be endorsing is the eating of farmed pellet pigs with all of their accompanying negative environmental issues?

cheers
F

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WG is that one of this years grilse?

[salmonshrimp]

I haven't read the whole thread so if this has been covered very sorry, but here's my tupence worth. I have no argument either way however there are flaws that should be considered in the discussions.
1. Spring fish can be caught at any time of the year. They enter the river in spring but are available for catching throughout the whole season.
2. Released spring fish may be caught a second time, again later in the year.
3. Wounded or diseased fish can spread disease especially in low water, I remember the UDN outbreaks. And funnily enough the fish recovered without any help from man
4. If all fish are returned why do we need permits
5. How do we identify farmed salmon
6. Do we return farmed salmon
7. Fish that die sink to the bottom and are never seen
8. How do we police this compulsion
9. A stressed fish may die an hour after being released
10. etc.etc

[williegunn]

splash said:

WG is that one of this years grilse?

Yes, from the Spey this last week

[williegunn]

dixie said:

I haven't read the whole thread so if this has been covered very sorry, but here's my tupence worth. I have no argument either way however there are flaws that should be considered in the discussions.
1. Spring fish can be caught at any time of the year. They enter the river in spring but are available for catching throughout the whole season.

Yes but they tend to to head to the top of the river and colour up.

dixie said:

2. Released spring fish may be caught a second time, again later in the year.

Yes see above.

dixie said:

3. Wounded or diseased fish can spread disease especially in low water, I remember the UDN outbreaks. And funnily enough the fish recovered without any help from man

And what has this to do with catch and release.

dixie said:

4. If all fish are returned why do we need permits

You still require permission whether you kill fish or not.

dixie said:

5. How do we identify farmed salmon

Shape, fins, and number of spots, they just look wrong.

dixie said:

6. Do we return farmed salmon

Yes they spoil the genetics.

dixie said:

7. Fish that die sink to the bottom and are never seen

Have you never waded a pool?

dixie said:

8. How do we police this compulsion

Bailiffs, gillies other anglers.

dixie said:

9. A stressed fish may die an hour after being released
10. etc.etc

So

[salmonking]

Salmonshrimp...you have such a pessimistic attitude here....
i do hope your outl :ock on life is a bit more up beat.....
anyone for prozac

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Around 7% of registered members

[salmonshrimp]

springer said:

Why is there only a handfull of us voicing our opinions?

Perhaps there's a fear of being flamed

salmonking said:

Salmonshrimp...you have such a pessimistic attitude

Actually I'm an optimist and I can see the silver lining in your cloud

[salmonking]

And may the clouds keep building up and the rain keeps a falling down

[salmonshrimp]

;D Especially in spring ;D

[ludite1]

IMHO c/r should not involve a compulsary country wide ban,but should be done on a river by river concencus. if a river has an sustainable stock whats wrong with the taking of an odd fish .I thank heaven for the likes of Peter Grey who has done more for Salmon fishing on the Tyne Then all of the proposals from forum members have talked about?if you take from the pot put something back in,ask Peter about genetic integrity of salmon on the Tyne and he will tell you (what genetic integritary) the Tyne was restocked with salmon from a wide range of rivers

[ibrox]

springer

you have "chosen" to take this particular comment personally as per usual.

I still don't see your name mentioned in your highlights?? This is getting stupid now , you can rant on trying to get one up on me what ever floats your boat , but personally I've had enough, I'm away for a pint.

[clydesider]

I posted on another board that my wife watched the Hugh Falkus video with me called Salmo the Leaper. The film touched her so much that she asked me never to kill another salmon again after what they go through to survive and spawn.
I dont need to kill salmon to feed my family.
I dont need to kill salmon to satisfy some primal killing instinct.
I do like the taste of fresh salmon compared to the farmed carcinogenic junk at supermarkets, and I declare that I would be prepared to observe some universal Scottish regulations that achieves a sensible compromise between conservation and the pleasure of a fresh salmon steak.
Admittedly at one point I detested the fatcat river/beat owners who wanted to preserve their income at all costs, but now I think there is a compromise where it can be win/win for all.

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ibrox said:

springer

you have "chosen" to take this particular comment personally as per usual.

I still don't see your name mentioned in your highlights?? This is getting stupid now , you can rant on trying to get one up on me what ever floats your boat , but personally I've had enough, I'm away for a pint.

AA, I feel that I have got to step in and say a few words in defence of Springer here. If you go back and look at the posts on this subject, its you who has breenged in every time with declarative, sweeping statements or personal insults, none of which are backed up by any sort of data, corroborated fact or objective argument. If you are going to have a pop at a guy, particularly when his arguments are based on published data, figures that are available to all to digest and analyse, then you need to come up with an argument that's a bit more robust than "its all your fault and I'm f***ng off down the pub because I'm fed up. Did you ever go to the AST website? Its easy, sign up, petition and off you go, do something constructive instead of venting your frustration on the forum

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williegunn said:

splash said:

WG is that one of this years grilse?

Yes, from the Spey this last week

Lets hope that its not the shape of things to come as I was mildly optimistic that based upon some earlier posts on the forum that the grilse would be in better fettle this year as the feeding at sea was reported to have improved. Even if this is the case , it could be as WG points out , that the fish are just not migrating far enough to get to where the feeding is. Does anyone else have much experience of these early running grilse and what shape they are in?

cheers

Splash

[zephead]

Recent Lower Tweed grilse have been on the Slim-Fast Plan again apparently........

ZH