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Post by windcutter on May 26, 2007 15:59:30 GMT
I have tried my trusty snowbee 2D on the above rod with variable results> :-/Does anyone have any recommendations?Thanks
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Post by Bogyoch on May 26, 2007 16:53:16 GMT
I use a Carron 75' #10/11 with my 15' SM with pleasing results, so the #9/10 rated line with a 65' head would be a one to consider for your 14' version.
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Post by williegunn on May 26, 2007 20:20:11 GMT
If you want to try the Carron 9/10 drop me a call(rather than line) and I will see what I can do.
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Post by castlikeaghille on May 26, 2007 21:29:14 GMT
If you want to try the Carron 9/10 drop me a call(rather than line) and I will see what I can do. Ah Emperor Gumm I've been using the CJS 9/10 65' head floating line for the last three days (I've had the 10/11 75' head floating for 5 seasons now). Once again three things stop the CJS being the best floating spey line in the world. So as you seem to have influence with the Karen crowd perhaps you would suggest to them the following: 1) Please make the running line a different colour or better still add a marker tube system as with the Jocky M. What is the point of making customers mark their line with a permanent marker pen that always smudges anyway? 2) I know it's stamped "Designed in the MMC where it is still 1934" but is it really necessary to supply the CJS unspooled in a Worther's Original Tin (I like the extra tweed in the label - nice touch)? Having been caught out once with the 10/11 the first time I was ready for the 9/10, but even then....a miserable customer experience to spool to reel if you don't have a man sevrant. 3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'......  Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG |
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Post by ibm59 on May 26, 2007 22:06:41 GMT
If you want to try the Carron 9/10 drop me a call(rather than line) and I will see what I can do. Ah Emperor Gumm I've been using the CJS 9/10 65' head floating line for the last three days (I've had the 10/11 75' head floating for 5 seasons now). Once again three things stop the CJS being the best floating spey line in the world. So as you seem to have influence with the Karen crowd perhaps you would suggest to them the following: 1) Please make the running line a different colour or better still add a marker tube system as with the Jocky M. What is the point of making customers mark their line with a permanent marker pen that always smudges anyway? 2) I know it's stamped "Designed in the MMC where it is still 1934" but is it really necessary to supply the CJS unspooled in a Worther's Original Tin (I like the extra tweed in the label - nice touch)? Having been caught out once with the 10/11 the first time I was ready for the 9/10, but even then....a miserable customer experience to spool to reel if you don't have a man sevrant. 3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'...... Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG Havn't you forgotten the price ? That makes four. |
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Post by splash on May 27, 2007 10:05:36 GMT
3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'...... Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG CLaG, you could, of course, just buy the Monteith full floater 10/11. Its a super line with a 68ft head and should suit your needs down to a T. I'll bring mine up to the Tay next week for you to have a cast and we can do a comparison against the Carron. Jock was selling them for around £40, so they are well proced into the bargain |
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Post by williegunn on May 27, 2007 11:52:18 GMT
Ah Emperor Gumm I've been using the CJS 9/10 65' head floating line for the last three days (I've had the 10/11 75' head floating for 5 seasons now). Once again three things stop the CJS being the best floating spey line in the world. So as you seem to have influence with the Karen crowd perhaps you would suggest to them the following: 1) Please make the running line a different colour or better still add a marker tube system as with the Jocky M. What is the point of making customers mark their line with a permanent marker pen that always smudges anyway? 2) I know it's stamped "Designed in the MMC where it is still 1934" but is it really necessary to supply the CJS unspooled in a Worther's Original Tin (I like the extra tweed in the label - nice touch)? Having been caught out once with the 10/11 the first time I was ready for the 9/10, but even then....a miserable customer experience to spool to reel if you don't have a man sevrant. 3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'...... Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG The great thing about the Carron lines is that if you wish to fish with 65'-68' outside the rod you can, the line is designed to be able to cast with the whole head outside the rod or just part of it. Bit simple really, but sometimes the best things are. This is also why the lines are not marked, the people at Carron realise that not everyone is the same and everyone will have their own sweet spot, but if you wish to put a piece of coloured tubing on feel free after all every one to their own thing. The line is sold in a tin and not wound tightly onto a spool to keep memory to a minimum. If you wish to try a line before buying to ensure you get it right just ask, I'm sure I will be able to accommodate you, so you do not buy the wrong line again. Price, yes they are not cheap but neither are Ferraris or Bentleys they are simply the best. PS If you like I will ask my butler to assist you putting on the lines, failing that I'm sure most gillies will happily assist. |
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Post by acw on May 27, 2007 12:45:53 GMT
Ah Emperor Gumm I've been using the CJS 9/10 65' head floating line for the last three days (I've had the 10/11 75' head floating for 5 seasons now). Once again three things stop the CJS being the best floating spey line in the world. So as you seem to have influence with the Karen crowd perhaps you would suggest to them the following: 1) Please make the running line a different colour or better still add a marker tube system as with the Jocky M. What is the point of making customers mark their line with a permanent marker pen that always smudges anyway? 2) I know it's stamped "Designed in the MMC where it is still 1934" but is it really necessary to supply the CJS unspooled in a Worther's Original Tin (I like the extra tweed in the label - nice touch)? Having been caught out once with the 10/11 the first time I was ready for the 9/10, but even then....a miserable customer experience to spool to reel if you don't have a man sevrant. 3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'...... Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG The great thing about the Carron lines is that if you wish to fish with 65'-68' outside the rod you can, the line is designed to be able to cast with the whole head outside the rod or just part of it. Bit simple really, but sometimes the best things are. This is also why the lines are not marked, the people at Carron realise that not everyone is the same and everyone will have their own sweet spot, but if you wish to put a piece of coloured tubing on feel free after all every one to their own thing. The line is sold in a tin and not wound tightly onto a spool to keep memory to a minimum. If you wish to try a line before buying to ensure you get it right just ask, I'm sure I will be able to accommodate you, so you do not buy the wrong line again. Price, yes they are not cheap but neither are Ferraris or Bentleys they are simply the best. PS If you like I will ask my butler to assist you putting on the lines, failing that I'm sure most gillies will happily assist. Malcolm thanks for helping load my Carron ,It is my best line next to my silk ! |
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Post by castlikeaghille on May 27, 2007 13:14:58 GMT
Ah Emperor Gumm I've been using the CJS 9/10 65' head floating line for the last three days (I've had the 10/11 75' head floating for 5 seasons now). Once again three things stop the CJS being the best floating spey line in the world. So as you seem to have influence with the Karen crowd perhaps you would suggest to them the following: 1) Please make the running line a different colour or better still add a marker tube system as with the Jocky M. What is the point of making customers mark their line with a permanent marker pen that always smudges anyway? 2) I know it's stamped "Designed in the MMC where it is still 1934" but is it really necessary to supply the CJS unspooled in a Worther's Original Tin (I like the extra tweed in the label - nice touch)? Having been caught out once with the 10/11 the first time I was ready for the 9/10, but even then....a miserable customer experience to spool to reel if you don't have a man sevrant. 3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'...... Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG The great thing about the Carron lines is that if you wish to fish with 65'-68' outside the rod you can, the line is designed to be able to cast with the whole head outside the rod or just part of it. Bit simple really, but sometimes the best things are. This is also why the lines are not marked, the people at Carron realise that not everyone is the same and everyone will have their own sweet spot, but if you wish to put a piece of coloured tubing on feel free after all every one to their own thing. The line is sold in a tin and not wound tightly onto a spool to keep memory to a minimum. If you wish to try a line before buying to ensure you get it right just ask, I'm sure I will be able to accommodate you, so you do not buy the wrong line again. Price, yes they are not cheap but neither are Ferraris or Bentleys they are simply the best. PS If you like I will ask my butler to assist you putting on the lines, failing that I'm sure most gillies will happily assist. Thank you for your swift response. I am glad to see you are slowly getting the hang of these new fangled spey whatchaman thingyme lines. But you are obviously not quite there yet: 1. Every spey line can be cast with the head inside the rod. However, as most modern rods are designed to lift 65' you remove the possibility of overhang - Emperor hoi polloi people in baseball caps like overhang. 2. Can't remember the last time I bought a premium spey line packaged on a spool (all except CJS) that had any latent memory issues - so once again customer feedback is please spool it - oh, silly me, I forgot this is the tackle industry where what the customer wants is always at the bottom of the priority pile 3. Saying you cant mark a line to create a sweet spot becasue every one is different is a red herring. The mark is simply so you have one reference point in the line so you know exactly where you are every cast. All it means is that for different people they will move the mark inside or outside of the rod to the point that suits them in the prevailing conditions. The normal point is at the mid point of the rear head taper. The black sleeve on the Jocky M is one of the features that marks it out as a true break through line. Surely the 'best line in the world' is on a continuous improvement programme? Calling tackle industry are you listening to your market? No, thought not. 4. I have two CJS. Funnily enough, one is for my #10/11 rods and one for the #9/10 rods, so I'm not quite sure which is the wrong line I have bought. Mind you, just out of interest I'll try out the CJS 9/10 on a 10/11 rod Your assertion that the CJS is the best is, respectfully, flawed for precisely the reasons originally set out. However, address those issues and then you might be able to lay claim to the CJS being the world's best floating spey line. Don't evolve and the CJS risks being left behind. Lookwhat has happened to Loomis after sitting on the GLX Laurels for too long. Regards CLaG |
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Post by splash on May 27, 2007 13:59:42 GMT
The great thing about the Carron lines is that if you wish to fish with 65'-68' outside the rod you can, the line is designed to be able to cast with the whole head outside the rod or just part of it. Bit simple really, but sometimes the best things are. This is also why the lines are not marked, the people at Carron realise that not everyone is the same and everyone will have their own sweet spot, but if you wish to put a piece of coloured tubing on feel free after all every one to their own thing. The line is sold in a tin and not wound tightly onto a spool to keep memory to a minimum. If you wish to try a line before buying to ensure you get it right just ask, I'm sure I will be able to accommodate you, so you do not buy the wrong line again. Price, yes they are not cheap but neither are Ferraris or Bentleys they are simply the best. PS If you like I will ask my butler to assist you putting on the lines, failing that I'm sure most gillies will happily assist. Thank you for your swift response. I am glad to see you are slowly getting the hang of these new fangled spey whatchaman thingyme lines. But you are obviously not quite there yet: 1. Every spey line can be cast with the head inside the rod. However, as most modern rods are designed to lift 65' you remove the possibility of overhang - Emperor hoi polloi people in baseball caps like overhang. 2. Can't remember the last time I bought a premium spey line packaged on a spool (all except CJS) that had any latent memory issues - so once again customer feedback is please spool it - oh, silly me, I forgot this is the tackle industry where what the customer wants is always at the bottom of the priority pile 3. Saying you cant mark a line to create a sweet spot becasue every one is different is a red herring. The mark is simply so you have one reference point in the line so you know exactly where you are every cast. All it means is that for different people they will move the mark inside or outside of the rod to the point that suits them in the prevailing conditions. The normal point is at the mid point of the rear head taper. The black sleeve on the Jocky M is one of the features that marks it out as a true break through line. Surely the 'best line in the world' is on a continuous improvement programme? Calling tackle industry are you listening to your market? No, thought not. 4. I have two CJS. Funnily enough, one is for my #10/11 rods and one for the #9/10 rods, so I'm not quite sure which is the wrong line I have bought. Mind you, just out of interest I'll try out the CJS 9/10 on a 10/11 rod Your assertion that the CJS is the best is, respectfully, flawed for precisely the reasons originally set out. However, address those issues and then you might be able to lay claim to the CJS being the world's best floating spey line. Don't evolve and the CJS risks being left behind. Lookwhat has happened to Loomis after sitting on the GLX Laurels for too long. Regards CLaG CLaG the black sleeve has been around on airflo lines for years , so can't be attributed as a breakthrough on the Jocky M I'm afraid. Incidentally, when self marking your lines its actually better to do it a rods length away from the sweet spot on the head. if you do this, you will be able to see the mark on a sunny day when its at your hand. whereras if you mark it on or just behind the rear taper then its more difficult to pick up and almost impossible to see when the sun shines  |
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Post by windcutter on May 27, 2007 15:46:58 GMT
Steve
It's probably a casting fault but the 10/11 works fine in the wind ,the 9/10 not at all
It also might be getting used to a new rod but the consistency just wasn't there.
thanks willie for your offer i'll pm you
thanks also to ross
cheers
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Post by z on May 30, 2007 19:09:44 GMT
If you want to try the Carron 9/10 drop me a call(rather than line) and I will see what I can do. Ah Emperor Gumm I've been using the CJS 9/10 65' head floating line for the last three days (I've had the 10/11 75' head floating for 5 seasons now). Once again three things stop the CJS being the best floating spey line in the world. So as you seem to have influence with the Karen crowd perhaps you would suggest to them the following: 1) Please make the running line a different colour or better still add a marker tube system as with the Jocky M. What is the point of making customers mark their line with a permanent marker pen that always smudges anyway? 2) I know it's stamped "Designed in the MMC where it is still 1934" but is it really necessary to supply the CJS unspooled in a Worther's Original Tin (I like the extra tweed in the label - nice touch)? Having been caught out once with the 10/11 the first time I was ready for the 9/10, but even then....a miserable customer experience to spool to reel if you don't have a man sevrant. 3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'...... Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG 1) Probably to see if their customers could mark their lines without smudging. So far, quite a few have been able to pass the test. Hint: dry line before and after marking...or line dry before and after marking. Seems to work with the words in almost any order. 2) Yes. For those unable to figure it out on their own, there are line winders available at most tackle shops. 3). Duuuude.... Lifting a whole 65-68' head? On a 15' rod no less. Astonishing. How do you do it? Was it a strict alpine ascent done in good style w/o oxygen à la Messner and Habeler? Or were you forced to go medieval on it, hacking it to death with eXtREmE siege tactics like the...<gasp> snap-t? Fortune does indeed favor the brave. So when's the book tour? z |
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Post by castlikeaghille on May 30, 2007 22:43:22 GMT
Ah Emperor Gumm I've been using the CJS 9/10 65' head floating line for the last three days (I've had the 10/11 75' head floating for 5 seasons now). Once again three things stop the CJS being the best floating spey line in the world. So as you seem to have influence with the Karen crowd perhaps you would suggest to them the following: 1) Please make the running line a different colour or better still add a marker tube system as with the Jocky M. What is the point of making customers mark their line with a permanent marker pen that always smudges anyway? 2) I know it's stamped "Designed in the MMC where it is still 1934" but is it really necessary to supply the CJS unspooled in a Worther's Original Tin (I like the extra tweed in the label - nice touch)? Having been caught out once with the 10/11 the first time I was ready for the 9/10, but even then....a miserable customer experience to spool to reel if you don't have a man sevrant. 3) Outside of Middle Macallanside, the rest of the world tend to use 65'-68' as the standard head length on 15' 10/11 rods. Do you think Karen might make a concession to the 21st Century and produce such a thing for those of us who fish in Baseball Caps, Shades and use the expression 'Hey dude where's my complex flurocarbon leader'. Even if they branded it "The Carron Hoi Polloi Stream" strap line, 'For People Without Clothes Poles, Plus Fours and Butlers'...... Mind you, this is the fishing tackle trade where the customer is always wrong, and everything is always on back order; so perhaps I shouldn't get my hopes up. Later EG CLaG 1) Probably to see if their customers could mark their lines without smudging. So far, quite a few have been able to pass the test. Hint: dry line before and after marking...or line dry before and after marking. Seems to work with the words in almost any order. 2) Yes. For those unable to figure it out on their own, there are line winders available at most tackle shops. 3). Duuuude.... Lifting a whole 65-68' head? On a 15' rod no less. Astonishing. How do you do it? Was it a strict alpine ascent done in good style w/o oxygen à la Messner and Habeler? Or were you forced to go medieval on it, hacking it to death with eXtREmE siege tactics like the...<gasp> snap-t? Fortune does indeed favor the brave. So when's the book tour? z Thank you z. A lot of typing for not a lot of/any point. Regardez CLaG |
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Post by z on May 30, 2007 22:55:16 GMT
1) Probably to see if their customers could mark their lines without smudging. So far, quite a few have been able to pass the test. Hint: dry line before and after marking...or line dry before and after marking. Seems to work with the words in almost any order. 2) Yes. For those unable to figure it out on their own, there are line winders available at most tackle shops. 3). Duuuude.... Lifting a whole 65-68' head? On a 15' rod no less. Astonishing. How do you do it? Was it a strict alpine ascent done in good style w/o oxygen à la Messner and Habeler? Or were you forced to go medieval on it, hacking it to death with eXtREmE siege tactics like the...<gasp> snap-t? Fortune does indeed favor the brave. So when's the book tour? z Thank you z. A lot of typing for not a lot of/any point. Regardez CLaG You're welcome CLaG, One good turn deserves another. z |
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Post by williegunn on May 31, 2007 8:05:28 GMT
Thank you z. A lot of typing for not a lot of/any point. Regardez CLaG Kettle Pot. |
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Post by castlikeaghille on May 31, 2007 11:30:37 GMT
Thank you z. A lot of typing for not a lot of/any point. Regardez CLaG Kettle Pot. ....Black - bless you Emperor. BTW, 10 out of 10 for so spectacularly capturing the zeitgeist of the hour with your posting on the Dana International Menteith thread at Speypages...is that going to be a key chapter in the magnum opus?  |
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Post by williegunn on May 31, 2007 11:55:40 GMT
....Black - bless you Emperor. BTW, 10 out of 10 for so spectacularly capturing the zeitgeist of the hour with your posting on the Dana International Menteith thread at Speypages...is that going to be a key chapter in the magnum opus? I thought everyone was aware that everything American is over weight, but obviously the colonials or former colonials occasionally forget. I like to remind them on a regular basis. |
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Post by castlikeaghille on May 31, 2007 13:54:50 GMT
....Black - bless you Emperor. BTW, 10 out of 10 for so spectacularly capturing the zeitgeist of the hour with your posting on the Dana International Menteith thread at Speypages...is that going to be a key chapter in the magnum opus? I thought everyone was aware that everything American is over weight, but obviously the colonials or former colonials occasionally forget. I like to remind them on a regular basis.  |
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