The skills of advanced spinning

[salmondan]

Getting up earlier than anybody else? ;D

[Sloggi]

Really good thread Steve

I have watched a guy who spins floating Devons and his main attribute, I think, is his ability to use the correct weight of lure/added weight against the depth/current/speed/water level.

This may be a start...

[elwyman]

steve said:

There was a thread a few weeks ago that referred to Falkus' assertion that the crafty fly fisher would out fish the average spinner . The point made was the crafty spinner would out fish the cff.

So, what do you guys think are the hallmarks of advanced spinning?

...and a crafty wormer would probably outfish them both?

[altmor]

elwyman said:

steve said:

There was a thread a few weeks ago that referred to Falkus' assertion that the crafty fly fisher would out fish the average spinner . The point made was the crafty spinner would out fish the cff.

So, what do you guys think are the hallmarks of advanced spinning?

...and a crafty wormer would probably outfish them both?

... not to mention the crafty nets man in the estuary

[rennie]

And the crafty angler will outfish them all (apart from the netsman sadly).

[castlikeaghille]

For three years I had a Saturday syndicate rod on the infamous (not really) Coupar Grange; the utter crap that is talked about this beat (especially by some Tay worthies...you know who you are..shame on you for peddling dross) beggers belief.

Believe it or not there are some guys there who fish fly only. They do very well, but only in the pools suited to fly fishing (about 3/5ths the beat). In the other pools the spinners do well.

But this isn't spinning as advocated by T&S' resident 'expert' ....oh woe. This is real high tech stuff. Serious Rapalla work, specialist heavy duty flying cs (50grms) to fish upstream in the 15' deep holes like the Ledges, up and across diving tobys etc. The only method that isn't used is the floating devon because the river isn't really big enough for it. That's a shame becuase the floating devon is a true art.

And the point is, well, where the river allows you to present a fly well then it's as likely to take a fish as anything. In water that isn't best suited to presenting a fly, the crafty bait fisher will tonk the fly man every time, and I've found that to be true for most rivers.

As for snakes, in my experience there are odd times when they really outfish everything (e.g. coloured water). The rest of the time spun baits will match or beat them.

As for old Faulkus, his favourite method was shrimp on the fly rod...and we are not talking Ally's here.

CLaG

[Sloggi]

Good post CLaG

Fished CG in January and had two kelts on a ruby red floating Devon

However, your point is fair enough. I'd only use that method on the water that would take a fly on CG. Some of those holes were very deep indeed - hence the 50g flying C. My wee devon would never get to the fish before the end of the cast.

Do people diss CG? Pity - really interesting experience. Almost as interesting as the ghillie On the day I was there the other 5 rods all fly fished.

[castlikeaghille]

Sorry should have clarified. Form Balbrogie down to the Snaggy there is lot's of water suitable for the fly and hence the wee devon; however, we tended to concentrate on fly. It's the stuff below the Snaggy, where we did much of our bait fishing - Jackie's Bush, Carpark, Platty, Ledges, the Lonely and, of course the Bottom Pool. Apart from the Cattledrink and Wires (which we fly fished anyway) this water is more suited to specialist upstreaming work.

Do people dis Coupar Grange..is the Pope a Catholic?! One thing's for certain, no other beat in Scotland has a ghillie quite like 'Guie Fuishie'...even if on his green quad bike he looks like one of the Banana Splits..a legend..worth the entrance fee alone.

[Sloggi]

I grew up in Murthly and fished beats 1 & 2 all the time (for trout) but never heard a bad word - must be a recent thing. Totally unjustified though. Every beat can't be a fly fisher's paradise

[kercock]

Sloggi, where did Murthly come into this thread ??

[Sloggi]

kercock said:

Sloggi, where did Murthly come into this thread ??

CLaG suggested CG had a bad name. To illustrate that I'd never heard anything of the kind I intimated that having lived and grown-up in Murthly I'd never heard such comments (either on the river bank or in the locality). As a major area for game fishing one could imagine, without too great a stretch of the imagination, that any negativity may have been reported to anglers within the area. Not so as far as I can recall although it was a while back!

Can you report of negativity towards CG?

[castlikeaghille]

S

I fish a number of Tay beats where they didn't know I was a syndicated rod on CG. On some of them, if I had a £ for every time I had to listen to the ghillies and other rods drone on about how every fish in Coupar Grange was:

a) Caught on the shrimp
b) Killed

I'd have at least £68 . Not a lot of money, but you get the point. And please don't tell me I've been singled out exclusively for this chat. The reality is fish on Coupar Grange get caught on the fly, spinner and worm (after April), some get released some don't. However, in my experince it is about the same proportion to the Tay beats I fish.

The problem comes when guests who are paying £200+ a day on some parts of the Tay are catching feck all and Coupar Grange is posting 20; must be upto something dodgy then. Well no, CG can just be an inconvenient truth that actually some beats of the Tay, at times, are ludicrously over priced...but that's a hard one to justify to guests so out come the whispers.

Although I sometimes wonder the way this governement is going, we are not in Stalinist Russia yet, so don't expect a mass outbreak of confession on this site; but I know who they all are, because they've told me... but hey, let's set the record straight and move on. So if you hear weasal words being talked about Guie Fuishie Central, treat it with a salt mine.

For the avoidance of any doubt or aspirtion cast, I don't fish Kercock and the good folks there are definitely not on the whinge list.

Later fuishies

CLaG

[greenbanks]

castlikeaghille said:

S

I fish a number of Tay beats where they didn't know I was a syndicated rod on CG. On some of them, if I had a £ for every time I had to listen to the ghillies and other rods drone on about how every fish in Coupar Grange was:

a) Caught on the shrimp
b) Killed

I'd have at least £68 . Not a lot of money, but you get the point. And please don't tell me I've been singled out exclusively for this chat. The reality is fish on Coupar Grange get caught on the fly, spinner and worm (after April), some get released some don't. However, in my experince it is about the same proportion to the Tay beats I fish.

The problem comes when guests who are paying £200+ a day on some parts of the Tay are catching feck all and Coupar Grange is posting 20; must be upto something dodgy then. Well no, CG can just be an inconvenient truth that actually some beats of the Tay, at times, are ludicrously over priced...but that's a hard one to justify to guests so out come the whispers.

Although I sometimes wonder the way this governement is going, we are not in Stalinist Russia yet, so don't expect a mass outbreak of confession on this site; but I know who they all are, because they've told me... but hey, let's set the record straight and move on. So if you hear weasal words being talked about Guie Fuishie Central, treat it with a salt mine.

For the avoidance of any doubt or aspirtion cast, I don't fish Kercock and the good folks there are definitely not on the whinge list.

Later fuishies

CLaG

Good to see you on the board "Kincardine and Borrowstones favourite son"I guess it will be fun when the Don Juan arrives on the forum.Had "Con" fishing on the beat last monday from CG and he was deelighted to cast a flle with me at Park .Joking apart it's good to see Kercock and Willie the Gillie posting here.I am trying to persuade a good acquaintance of ours to post her under the moniker of "KC and the sunshine band."Suspect Mr Cromar would love to see me under the name Southpark Kenny.

[castlikeaghille]

Oh ma gawd...they killed Kenny . Southpark, heavens to murgatroid I wondered where you'd gone. How's JW goin' ta post if you've nicked his name 'Greenblanks' Now that you've had DJ Conn up there, I can't see how KC can't possibly want to post withoot his Sunnyshine Band. Look forward to hearin' from him.

Good work fella

CLaG

[colliedog]

ClaG

As the artiste formally known as Greenblanks I am happy to relinquish this now redundant title. I will stick to my alternative alias in future.

I would certainly agree with the points made about Couper Grange having also fished it regularly over the past few seasons - the fly fishing can be very good indeed and where the water doesn't suit the fly, it can provide some very challenging spinning - anything but chuck and chance it.

One stand out memory from last season was four grilse landed from four different lies on four different weights of lure (flying C 33g, 20g and 10g and a No. 3 mepps). Thats what makes it such an interesting beat

Unfortunately it does have it's detractors but thats life. I am certainly looking forward to my next visit and catching up with Gie Fuishies tales!

CD (TAFKaGB)

[castlikeaghille]

'Collie Dog'

More like Shaggy Dog [Story] ...the Dugmeister (Solway's most stoic salmon fisher) might have something to say aboot that....woof

Spoke to GF on Saturday. He was in outstanding form from his hot seat in the World's second most productive salmon pool.

Later fuishies

CLaG