Vision Zipper Waders

[zephead]

Hi

got a pair of these given as a replacement for a pair of Extremes that had a flee put thro the arse when on loan to a mate.

Despite them being a better fit and the undoubted advantages of the zip when it comes to slasherama time,the wader material is nowhere near as breathable as my old pair of Extremes IMHO.

Lots of perspiration retained yesterday after only three hours use on the Tummel.Thought previously it may have been the tweeds I usually wear under them in true MWC stylee but yesterday I had a pair of cotton jeans on and still had a co-ordinating zebra pattern on them and felt claggy in 'em.

This pair are a big step back towards Ocean levels of moisture.

Has anyone else had a similar experience/is this a "characteristic" before I take them back to the shop and do what I was going to do and pay the difference and buy a pair of Simms?

ZH

[splash]

zephead said:

Hi

got a pair of these given as a replacement for a pair of Extremes that had a flee put thro the arse when on loan to a mate.

Despite them being a better fit and the undoubted advantages of the zip when it comes to slasherama time,the wader material is nowhere near as breathable as my old pair of Extremes IMHO.

Lots of perspiration retained yesterday after only three hours use on the Tummel.Thought previously it may have been the tweeds I usually wear under them in true MWC stylee but yesterday I had a pair of cotton jeans on and still had a co-ordinating zebra pattern on them and felt claggy in 'em.

This pair are a big step back towards Ocean levels of moisture.

Has anyone else had a similar experience/is this a "characteristic" before I take them back to the shop and do what I was going to do and pay the difference and buy a pair of Simms?

ZH

Hi ZH

I received a pair of the new Vison zippered jobs (extremes)as a replacement for a pair of flywaters which exploded after a back end trip to the Teviot and which lasted the grand total of about 6 trips. One day's wading on Sunlaws does equate to a seasons use elsewhere in breathable wader years though. To date, I've been quite pleased with them and have been using them routinely instead of my Simms G3's this year but I have noticed that you do get quite a build up of condensation at the end of the fishing day particularly in the lower legs. I never had a pair of the originals so its impossible for me to compare the breathablity of the material but my major bugbear is the lack of a front pocket which means that you have to stash flybox, nylon, tools etc elsewhere if you are not wearing a jacket. The zip seems to be fine so far and is definitely a convenience

Feeling a bit ClaGgy - Oh dear, then its not the fishing tackle shop that you need to head to but your local psychiatrist ;D

cheers

Splash

[zephead]

Touche Splash,

but not ClaGgy enough to post an 8 page numbered and diagramatic hypothesis on the dichotomy of the zip versus condensation issue using similar terminolgy to the great man himself's posts,oh knights of the rod and line ad infintum etc etc..............!

And yes,the lack of a feckin' pocket is a real pain as it may have to lead to the purchase of a mesh backed Grafham fluff chucker-stylee flee waistcoat (fishery/international/SAGA Gold Member badges strictly de rigeur).As I am unaware of a model in matching tweed to the rest of my fishing clobber I may have to get Isaac Walton's in Newcastle (every good fishers tailor durntcha' kna') to build me one.

Also,what's with the natty angle of the zip-why not straight up and down and why no self tighteners at the side instead of the wading belt that slips down the more corpulent figure?

Regards

ZH

[wilbert]

I toyed with he idea of getting the new extremes with zip to replace my 4 year old extremes but decided to go for the Ghillie's instead due to them having a double pocket in the front and also being made from the same material as the top of the range Radipors. I have worn them on 4 occasions now and so far so good, did get a little build up of sweat the other day day but that was due to the sun beating down on me for 4 hours and a 1.5 mile walk back to the car so can't complain. Would rather sweat a little than have them leak. The Simms G3's they are very comfortable but over priced (as for the G4's what were they thinking when setting the price for these) and not as durable as they should be. I will stick to Vision for now as I dont think you can beat them on value for money.

[williegunn]

I still cannot see the advantage of the zip, surely you still have to come ashore or the water will get in.

[elwyman]

I've noticed that most makes of modern breathable waders now have a double layer of material around the lower legs/knees, as reinforcement - I'm thinking Vision, Scierra & Wychwood as examples, and some of the Simms range.

I wonder if this double layer system reduces the effectivness of the breathable material - ie you sweat more if you walk a lot. Seems logical?

[elwyman]

williegunn said:

I still cannot see the advantage of the zip, surely you still have to come ashore or the water will get in.

I can just see the headlines - "Angler arrested for flashing in mid-river." ;D

With my new waders, the shoulder straps are so short I have to take my jacket off for a pee, which is a nuisance.

[zephead]

WG-on the canal one has to often start ones own spate!

DTYS!

ZH

[donnieW]

I've got Wychwood breathables and they have the double layer up to the knees. HOWEVER - they also have a small triangular hole above the gravel guards (on the outer layer, obviously!) so that when wading, water gets between the layers. Not a problem when you're in the water but when you come out - it's like wearing concrete wellies. I stagger about for a couple of minutes with 2 mini-fountains gushing out at my ankles. Apart from that they seem like good hardwearing waders.

[elwyman]

Donnie - yes I've got the Wychwoods with the built in water feature. ;D

Joking aside, they seem good for the money and I like all the pockets for fly boxes etc. They aren't leaking after about 10 outings, so no complaints so far.

[zephead]

Gents,

well the Vision Zippered jobs died on Frdiay.

I had thought they were holding a bit of condensation in the under nad area last week at Junction when I stopped fishing but having had a check on Friday teatime after deep wading at UH there was no doubt that the seal had gone around the zip and that I looked like terminal incontinence had set in.

They were returned to Tweedside Tackle on the spot and they were susprised as they have only had two pairs of bootfoot models back with any probs and no stocking feet models.

Paid up the extra and bought a pair of Simms.

As said above-worries over the breatahbility of these Visojns was confimed as the weather got warmer-they are definitely not as breathable as the old models which I have used for 4 years without any problems and the zipper pair were only in use since March!!!!!

Hopefully mine are an isolataed case and I'd return to them in future seaons once what is hopefully a launch season fault is ironed out.

ZH

[jones]

ZH,

Didnt think it would be like you to be so tight in the first place! You should have just forked out for the Simms. It seems IMHO that the with Simms kit you do get what you pay for - quality stuff, intellegently designed. Bought the Guide version after my visions packed in.

Next DTYS convention only a month away. Hope the Findhorn has fish.

Jones

[zephead]

Jones

they were bought for me as a replacement for a loaned pair that had a flee up the arse otherwise I'd have upgraded to the Siimms.Tweedside Tackiel were out of "Fat Git" sizings so the Visions had to do.

They match my Powerlite Collection better though so I prefer them and I'll need to be sure not to damage them in the Team Sage cuffing on the DTYS Trip.

ZH

[billytheghillie]

i have a pair of the greys (courtesy of my employer) and tried them out last week. verdict- very pleased with them, light not to tight a fit (not a fat git like zep ;D) 3 pockets on front plenty of room for fly boxes spare reel, mobile and tabs. was a hot day and when removed after 12 hours not a drop of condi. highly recommend

[zephead]

Interested to see how the waterproof they'll be once WJ has been near them with a strimmer...........................................!

How's The Factors new truck going-looks very smart.

ZH

[clobemonman]

Hi,

I have a pair of the original Vision Extremes, was very impressed and was considering buying the new version. I would have expected the breathability to be the same. Anyone else able to give a comparison between the old and the new version?

Regards,

Clobemonman.

[zephead]

Dreadful.

Its like going back to a pair of Ocean's in comparison.

They seem to be made of much tougher material and I haven't changed what I wear underneath them,and in fact I'm pleased it was tweed because otherwise I would have been drenched some days.

Alwyas been a fan of Vision but not the last pair.

ZH

[clobemonman]

Hi Fiolks,

Anyone else able to give a comparison between the 'old' and the new zip vision extreme waders?

Regards,

Clobemonman.

[rennie]

The more material the waders have round the legs etc. the less breathable they will be just take a look(or get your bank manager to do it for you)at the latest Simms mega quids jobbies,highly breathable I am sure,not.The Simms G3 are great but will puncture,rip, tear just as easy as cheaper waders.I have G3s and they are good waders but I treat them like a newborn babe(at that price I feel justified)before that I had some Orvis lightweight breath ables great waders those and highly breathable to boot, a lot cheaper but less durable.The unfortunate thing is the more you perspire the more work your clothing and waders will have to do and some of us will leak a bit more than others circumstances depending,bear in mind a breathable wader wont stop you perspiring,just help you to be a bit more comfy in the long run.Unfortunately we don't seem to get breath ability and durability in the same wader ,they all appear to be different.Much as I like my G3s the question of price still haunts me are the really worth it over say 3mm neoprenes?. Pedro.