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Post by tynetraveller on Jul 23, 2007 19:39:07 GMT
Dave- Thanks for that. It also reminds me to mention that a tucked blood knot is a definite no-no for fluorocarbon- The act of tightening a tucked blood knot will damage the fc for sure.
This is an interesting thread- To be honest I wasn't expecting such a spirited and well argued defence of nylon. I still think with the right knots FC is the sensible choice- As to cost, how much leader can you use in a session? Even to someone fishing only association water, it is not going to be a major part of your salmon fishing expenditure..
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Post by madkeen on Jul 23, 2007 19:42:14 GMT
It's fecking costly when the tubes are £3 a pop ;D
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Post by exerod on Jul 23, 2007 22:23:28 GMT
IBM59, less of the friendly tone. I am fed up with all these stone age nylon users and.... challenge them all to a casting competition where I can prove the vast superiority of my expensive, low diameter leader. The losers will not ever be allowed to post again, will spend two years on an intensive punctuation and grammar course and will have their knackers removed with a rusty hacksaw, after donating their house to a salmon fishing charity of my choice.  What's casting got to do with it  If we are going to have a challenge it had better be about the strength, stretch and shock absorbing properties of nylon versus fluro. I will make a bungee cord with a breaking strain equal to my weight out of lengths of maxima. You can do the same with fluro, if you can afford to  We will then jump from the Forth road bridge. No life jackets allowed  |
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Post by elwyman on Jul 23, 2007 22:43:32 GMT
I haven't used flurocarbon since I lost a big (double figure I would say) sea trout one night on the Conwy. The knot failed when it made a run. I was using Riverge, which is one of the best makes.
That has never happened to me with Maxima, so why take the risk? Reading the above posts, many people have had problems, so I honestly couldn't recommend fluro to anyone.
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Post by salmonking on Jul 24, 2007 6:32:31 GMT
Fluro carbon nearly drove me insane 3 years ago..
i lost 3 springers on the trot ,breaking at the knot,,each time i was using a different knot,the fluro was the same though RIO
never again will i ever use that fluro.
I use seaguar and had the knot slip once,resulting in a lost fish
lesson learned ,i now leave a small tag at the knot,can't fault it.
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Post by wilbert on Jul 24, 2007 7:51:27 GMT
I also had problems with some Rio fluro (fluroflex I think) and threw it all in the bin (all 4 spools) after 2 days of use. The line always got some waves / crinkles in it when I pulled the knots tight no matter what type of knot I tied or how much spit was applied prior to pulling tight, never had this problem with seaguar, even with the 35lb stuff although you do have to pull bloody hard to get the knots to seat correctly due to the stiffness of the line.
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Post by ibm59 on Jul 24, 2007 9:01:06 GMT
[quote author=salmonking board=tackleroom thread=1185137578 post=1185258751the fluro was the same though RIO
never again will i ever use that fluro.
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Likewise. It's absolutely awful stuff.
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Post by stuart on Jul 25, 2007 20:56:41 GMT
I use fc almost exclusively when trout fishing and have landed rainbows to over 10lbs on 6lbs fc with very few problems or breakages. I don't use it often for salmon, usually in the summer for grilse. Again not had many problems with it. I use a tucked blood knot and as long as you wet the line before tightening this is not a problem.
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Post by madkeen on Jul 29, 2007 7:08:55 GMT
Over the past couple of weeks I've been using Yo-zuri hybrid(flourocarbon/nylon)and it's very good for knot strength and no breakages overhead casting with copper tubes and it's cheap.
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Post by sagecaster on Jul 29, 2007 8:33:23 GMT
Yes Tynetraveller the tubes were lined the flourocarbon just could not cope with the strain of overhead casting and a copper tube(i think it was 23lb seagaur)I will stick with maxima ;D I can't see past Seagar and generally stick to 19lb, however I do agree with you here. I found that overhead casting put much more stress on the leader and one mistimed cast and crack the fly was gone! There are very few instances where you have to overhead cast so I generally spey/dble spey etc. to get around this problem. In instances like the Grainhead where at certain heights you have to over head cast(where I think without knowing it we met last summer  ) I moved up to 25lb seagar without any problems. Incidentally have moved over to the RC side, no need for overhead over there!  |
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Post by colliedog on Jul 29, 2007 9:44:06 GMT
My experience is that when it comes to salmon fishing applications there is fluorocarbon and there is Seagar - I find it in a league apart when it comes to knot strength and durability and it has never let me down in landing well over 100 salmon, seatrout and kelts over the past few seasons.
I would always be a bit cautious using fine leader material for fishing big tubes but I think it is a diameter issue, not one of strength - I did crack off a few tubes using 15lb Seagar in the early days before realising that I was better using the heavy stuff.
As a rule of thumb I use 15lb for small flies, 19lb for bigger flies, bottles, coneheads and 23lb for big copper tubes.
For knots, I only realy use a 5 turn untucked blood knot or a grinner - the grinner is better for avoiding annoying curls if you tighten it in stages. One tip for getting your knots to bed down nice and tightly with heavier diameters - slip the bend of the hook through the finger loop of your forceps and apply firm pressure - less chance of embedding a large hook in your finger as I did a whie back.
Madkeen - any idea on the density of your hybrid line - would it be suitable for skating surface flies - the one time fluoro doesn't do the job. Where did you get it?
CD
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Post by splash on Jul 29, 2007 9:59:05 GMT
Madkeen - any idea on the density of your hybrid line - would it be suitable for skating surface flies - the one time fluoro doesn't do the job. Where did you get it? CD CD - the Yozurri stuff sounds like the other fluorocoated nylons such as Lureflash Viper etc. They are certainly less dense than 100% flurocarbon. You can tell then apart by doing the burn test. 100% fluorocarbon emits black smoke on ignition whereas the coated stuff emits white. I never liked fluoro coated nylon for trout fishing finding it unreliable but concede it would probably be fine in higher bs for tubes etc |
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Post by madkeen on Jul 29, 2007 10:04:40 GMT
CD i bought it when i was on holiday in Florida from Bass pro.No idea what the density is but the 20lb bs i was using yesterday really impressed.A quick search on ebay usually finds this stuff.
Alan
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Post by splash on Jul 29, 2007 11:34:40 GMT
Madkeen - any idea on the density of your hybrid line - would it be suitable for skating surface flies - the one time fluoro doesn't do the job. Where did you get it? CD CD - the Yozurri stuff sounds like the other fluorocoated nylons such as Lureflash Viper etc. They are certainly less dense than 100% flurocarbon. You can tell then apart by doing the burn test. 100% fluorocarbon emits black smoke on ignition whereas the coated stuff emits white. I never liked fluoro coated nylon for trout fishing finding it unreliable but concede it would probably be fine in higher bs for tubes etc Did a bit of research on the Yozuri and it seems like its not coated fluro but molecularly bonded (ooh er missus  ) to the nylon. CD I'll try and pick some up in the US next week if you want to give it a try? |
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Post by greenalert on Jul 29, 2007 15:25:38 GMT
Hi Folks great thread
Can I ask just a quick question?
I got a spool of 18lb "Leeda Super Strong Fishing Monofilament"
from a mate, seems exceptionally strong, 0.46mm Dia only problem is it is yellow
Is this okay as a leader for salmon fishing?
Thanks as always
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Post by jock on Jul 29, 2007 20:09:07 GMT
I was intrigued with this Yo-zuri hybrid line. As I was in need of some 15lb line I've got some on order, certainly cheap and I'll have the stuff coming out my ears when it arrives. So if you want to test some pm me. It probably won't arrive this week and I'm away fishing the following week so it will be mid August before I can post to the successful applicants.  First 25 pms + forum members I've met will get a 10-15 yard free sample, more if you have a friend to share it with I'll pay postage etc. ( I'm feeling all charitable) just give me the address you want it posted to and please give your honest feedback to other members on this forum once you have had a chance to test the line. Once I have the 25 I'll post on this thread saying no more bloody pms Cheers, Jock There are no catches, just trying to help others. Although your holiday dates, or other times when your house is empty would be much appreciated ;D ;D ;D |
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We will then jump from the Forth road bridge. 
) I moved up to 25lb seagar without any problems. Incidentally have moved over to the RC side, no need for overhead over there! 
) to the nylon. CD I'll try and pick some up in the US next week if you want to give it a try?
