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Post by granters on Feb 15, 2007 21:58:40 GMT
Hi folks. i tied up a few of these tonight and wondered if they'd be any good for spring. Green's not a colour i've used a lot but i aquired some templedog hair today and it goes very well tied in with the guard hair and the boar bristles, with the underfur for movement. Green boar bristles are under the guard hair. Think i read about these being good colours in Scandanavia in spring. think they'll do okay over here? thanks chaps  |
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Post by DAZ on Feb 15, 2007 22:25:17 GMT
. Think i read about these being good colours in Scandanavia in spring. think they'll do okay over here? thanks chaps I certainly think so. Green is a favorite colour of mine for both Salmon,and Seatrout,I would fish your pattern with great confidence granters.  I also think a J.C eye would really compliment that pattern. Nice tie mate. DAZ. |
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Post by granters on Feb 15, 2007 22:28:18 GMT
As usual it will be getting a big ol JC feather whacked on next attempt. I tie them without first to see if they need it (my twisted logic!)
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Post by ibrox on Feb 15, 2007 23:00:34 GMT
Hi Granters
Have fished and tied flies for seatrout for years and am just starting to get into salmon fishing and flies but in my opinion its a nice fly and I would fish it with confidence.
AA
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Post by macd on Feb 16, 2007 0:25:36 GMT
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Post by severnfisher on Feb 16, 2007 9:17:02 GMT
Ross, I think it is blue, but as green is next door in the spectrum and then yellow that might explain why they are such good colours for fresh fish in clear water. I remember reading about it in a piece by Malcolm Greenhalgh. Also this by a forum contributor: www.sexyloops.com/articles/whatsalmonidssee.shtml |
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Post by tynetraveller on Feb 16, 2007 9:46:14 GMT
granters- Nice fly. If you want to tie a true scandinavian style templedog then they need to be bushy( So as to resist being flattened to nothing in a strong current). This one has a nice taper created by the top wing being longer than the under wing, but if you overhang the top wing a bit more, it will look even better.. Try even more wraps with the big front hackle and I think you will like the fly even more. Also try to give the fly 'shoulders' by spreading the wings at the tying in point- From above they should be tear-drop shaped with a wide profile at the head tapering to a point at the back. If you have any peacock herl, try tying in four strands over the top wing with their points level with the longest strands in the top wing- This gives the wing definition and makes the classic shape really stand out, as well as adding understated flash..
Cheers, Simon
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Post by scotty on Feb 16, 2007 19:43:26 GMT
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This is a bit nerdy, but i recall an article many years ( a Prof. Harper?) ago that claimed that fresh salmon's vision tends to be at the the green end of the spectrum as it enters fresh water- moving rowards red as time passes.
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is a seatrouts vision the same?
thanks scotty.
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Post by lomond on Feb 16, 2007 19:57:36 GMT
Granters, again another fine effort that will work will on the Leven and everywhere for the springers. Jungle cock will make it a better looking fly to the angler, but not the salmon in my opinion.
On the colour theme for springers. A well known Leven angler, who out fishes everyone else on the river uses a Red Shrimp fly exclusively and catches more springers than everyone else. Therefore, something tells me the colour may not be that important, it's probably good presentation of the fly, perseverance and a bit of luck getting your fly in front of a springers nose.
Lomond
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Post by DAZ on Feb 16, 2007 21:26:16 GMT
Scotty.
Is a seatrouts vision the same.
Dave (Silverstoat) is the man to answer any questions you have on this subject.
But I believe the answer to your question is YES!!!.
DAZ.
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Post by granters on Feb 16, 2007 23:43:59 GMT
granters- Nice fly. If you want to tie a true scandinavian style templedog then they need to be bushy( So as to resist being flattened to nothing in a strong current). This one has a nice taper created by the top wing being longer than the under wing, but if you overhang the top wing a bit more, it will look even better.. Try even more wraps with the big front hackle and I think you will like the fly even more. Also try to give the fly 'shoulders' by spreading the wings at the tying in point- From above they should be tear-drop shaped with a wide profile at the head tapering to a point at the back. If you have any peacock herl, try tying in four strands over the top wing with their points level with the longest strands in the top wing- This gives the wing definition and makes the classic shape really stand out, as well as adding understated flash.. Cheers, Simon That's very interesting. I'm always wary of tying flies that are too bulky but that's given me some thought. i'm one of those " slimmer the better " sort of blokes. Can't say i've much experience of spring fishing though so it's back to the vice for some fat bastard flies! ;D |
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Post by tynetraveller on Feb 17, 2007 14:16:33 GMT
Granters- That is the thing about templedogs- They belong to a different philosophy to scottish, slim flies. They are designed to pulse, but they need some bulk to do this. Check out the pictures of the real Mikael Frodin turbo cones on the other thread or at the guideline site- They are very bushy indeed.
That said, a million patterns catch fish- No-one says they have to look exactly like Frodin or Norling's flies!
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Post by granters on Feb 17, 2007 15:20:23 GMT
I've beed trying to bulk them up a bit, i gave one a swim in the bath and noticed how effective it looks. you really can get away with using a lot of hair. Thanks for the advice.
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Post by stu47 on Feb 17, 2007 16:14:42 GMT
Nice Granters,certainly a lot going on in that fly,myself i would strip the underfur out i think it hinders the movement of the longer hair,try a little longer roof on the wing gives it a bit extra
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Post by granters on Feb 17, 2007 18:08:49 GMT
added some peacock herl and some JC. Delighted with the result, as i said before it goes against all my usual tying "rules". The movement is amazing and i can't believe i've not used this style of fly before. It certainly makes a change from the shrimpy styles that dominate. Just shows that slender and slim isn't always best. The colours merge beautifully under the water, i nearly had a go at it myself ;D Couldn't get a great picture, these don't do it justice.   |
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Post by exerod on Feb 17, 2007 19:36:34 GMT
Couldn't get a great picture, these don't do it justice. They look ok to me, all crackers so far  I'm no expert photographer but here's a couple of tips that can help bring the colours out a better for those of us with ordinary kit. It's lack of light that makes it difficult to get a good shot at the vice even with a lamp right up close to the fly. Try holding the fly several feet above a dark surface and take the picture in macro with the flash turned on. I just stand up and use the dark living room carpet as a background. The contrast is so great that the background goes black.  The other method that works well during the day is to take the fly outside and hold it up against the sky with the light behind you. This gives a nice blue background, unless it's raining  Andy |
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Post by granters on Feb 17, 2007 19:47:58 GMT
That's a beauty Andy. Thanks for the photo tips, unfortunately even when the sky is blue in Glasgow it's still grey  |
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Post by tynetraveller on Feb 17, 2007 22:03:16 GMT
Granters- Now that is a templedog! As a final note, if you take hold of the peacock herl on that fly and gently rub the blade of your scissors under the herl from eye to tail, the herl wil develop a downward curl to sit neatly on top of the wing. I would fish that fly in preference to any traditional hairwing- As you have seen, in the water it will be alive.
Cheers, Simon
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Post by granters on Feb 17, 2007 23:01:13 GMT
Granters- Now that is a templedog! As a final note, if you take hold of the peacock herl on that fly and gently rub the blade of your scissors under the herl from eye to tail, the herl wil develop a downward curl to sit neatly on top of the wing. I would fish that fly in preference to any traditional hairwing- As you have seen, in the water it will be alive. Cheers, Simon Simon, thanks for the comments. I've tried everything to get the herl nicely curved but it's been crammed away in the box for so long i can't budge it. It collapses in the water anyway. I think i already prefer this to hair wings and i've only seen it in the bath! Can't believe how alive it does look. Will certainly be filling up the box with a few more. Thanks |
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Post by dunc on Feb 18, 2007 22:53:34 GMT
Hi granters, this is my first post on the forum  In regards to the peacock herl, try using peacock sword, this has a natural curve to it, this is a tip that I picked up from DAZ on Hoppy's forum, hope this helps. Dunc. |
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I also think a J.C eye would really compliment that pattern.
