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Post by Sloggi on May 12, 2007 18:26:16 GMT
As I'm pretty tight, I don't like chucking materials away. At the moment I'm just finishing a piece of orange bucktail. On the "reverse", the hair is brown with an orange tinge so I've made some brown PBPs and a few brown shrimps.
Anyone have experience using brown salmon flies - time of year, patterns, water colour etc?
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Post by jock on May 12, 2007 18:43:15 GMT
One of my best flies uses the "brown" bucktail from other bucktails.
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Post by Sloggi on May 12, 2007 18:49:18 GMT
One of my best flies uses the "brown" bucktail from other bucktails. Which fly would that be then  A shrimp pattern? |
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Post by jock on May 12, 2007 20:28:47 GMT
The picture does not show up as clearly as I had hoped. Anyway, the top flies are tied with a mixture of brown bucktail from usually yellow, orange or white bucktails and some red buck. Often I tie mainly with the brown and only include a hint of red, the dark red/brown from a red bucktail. I've had no luck with the bottom fly which is identical to the others except it has a pure red polar bear wing. These have proved to be very successfully for me, catching in Ireland, and all over Scotland. I modified the fly from one I remember seeing on the Annan many years ago. It was my attempt at trying to copy that fly as best I could remember but using yellow polar bear to give more translucence The original I think had a totally brown wing and a tail ofyellow GP topping. The dressing is: Tail: Yellow polar bear Body: Gold with gold rib Hackle: Orange Wing: Mixture brown and dark red bucktail  Cheers, Jock |
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Post by Sloggi on May 12, 2007 23:02:06 GMT
Cheers Jock - I'll be copying those tomorrow |
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Post by al44 on May 13, 2007 9:38:34 GMT
In the Trout and Salmon edition that first introduced Pot Bellied Pigs, I remember the inventor saying that the most successful version was the brown one!
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Post by tynetraveller on May 13, 2007 11:57:04 GMT
The original laerdal sunray shadow has just a long brown wing.. It is a killer pattern.
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Post by madkeen on May 13, 2007 19:24:53 GMT
I remember a old guy taking 3 salmon in the space of 20 minutes on a brown gp pattern on the Isla so I guess they have their place in our arsenal.
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Post by donnieW on May 13, 2007 19:30:11 GMT
In the Trout and Salmon edition that first introduced Pot Bellied Pigs, I remember the inventor saying that the most successful version was the brown one! At the risk of being slanderous, the inventor of the PBP certainly was a fan of the brown stuff - most of it came out of his mouth........ |
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Post by macd on May 13, 2007 20:55:32 GMT
this is one of my favs.  there is a pattern in stan headley's flies of scotland called the brown shrimp. very similar to the black shrimp. I have a couple more tubes- no pics yet- which have brown and orange in them. of course the irish have been onto this for yonks. the foxford shrimp- ok its fiery brown-but a lovely subtle fly. I like these duller hues: brown, claret etc. |
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Post by Sloggi on May 13, 2007 21:10:10 GMT
At the risk of being slanderous, the inventor of the PBP certainly was a fan of the brown stuff - most of it came out of his mouth........ Not a fan then, DonnieW Do brown flies fish all year or are they better during the autumn? |
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Post by paulsewin on May 16, 2007 14:43:32 GMT
Do brown flies fish all year or are they better during the autumn? [/quote]
Don't limit the use of brown flies to the autumn. There was a time when the only flies being used for salmon fishing were just large March brown variants. Later, there were a whole range of flies which were winged with brown feather strips, Blue Charm, Brown Turkey, Jeannie, Jimmie, etc. If you get a chance, have a look through the book Two Hundred Popular Flies, Tom Stewart or the Hardy book of flies. You'll find plenty of examples here.
Remember that these were mainly used for greased line fishing, starting in May.
Perhaps the first really popular hairwing fly was the Hairy Mary, which had a brown wing. The design of hairwing patterns has mirrored the development of the classic fully dressed salmon flies by using more bright colours, yellows, oranges & reds.
It's also worth considering the Irish approach. So many of the Irish shrimps use sombre colours like claret, fiery brown, ginger and burnt orange (a browny orange colour).
I think you can fish them with confidence all season, subject to the clarity of the water.
Hope this helps,
Paul
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Post by Fruin on May 16, 2007 15:13:56 GMT
I've had more success substituting brown for black on a Willie Gunn.
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Post by Fruin on May 16, 2007 15:16:48 GMT
At the risk of being slanderous, the inventor of the PBP certainly was a fan of the brown stuff - most of it came out of his mouth........  ;D ;D Now don't hold back DW, just say what you mean. ;D |
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Post by Sloggi on May 16, 2007 16:42:28 GMT
Cheers PaulS - it does  |
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Post by ibm59 on May 16, 2007 23:11:10 GMT
I've had more success substituting brown for black on a Willie Gunn. Hope the PC polis ain't reading this , G. ;D |
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Post by Fruin on May 17, 2007 9:15:54 GMT
It gets worse; I've substituted blue and pink for the black onsome creations |
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Post by rpsalmon on Aug 5, 2007 13:42:45 GMT
My experience matches Fruin, substituting the black hair on a Willie Gunn can work wonders, I found as soon as the water starts to clear. I tend to use the natural brown/orange tinged hairs on waters where the fish prefer orange lures. I use the yellow, red, purple, blue tinged hairs also according to the salmon's taste on a particular river.
I also use the orange and yellow tinged natural bucktail fibers in shrimp flies, very useful in summer.
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A shrimp pattern?
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