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Post by smokiesalmon on Oct 5, 2007 1:31:11 GMT
aye aye fellow tyers just curious has anyone tyed with jungle cock under the shaft of the hook i.e facing down to the fish................................?cheers
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Post by Fruin on Oct 5, 2007 9:23:22 GMT
I've tried this to experiment. I first saw it on some flies showed to me by another angler on the Tay and have since seen a few Tay regulars tying some of their patterns this way.
I like the idea for bigger flies, but on smaller flies, it could create a mask over the body of the fly.
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Post by severnfisher on Oct 5, 2007 15:38:50 GMT
Hi Smokie,
Mmaybe a lot more of us do it than we realise. A lot of flies tied on doubles fish upside down, or at least on their side.
Tom
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Post by altmor on Oct 5, 2007 17:33:36 GMT
SS,
I have deliberately been tying flies with JC cheeks to underside for some time - have posted a few on the relevant photo and fly tying sections and will later add them here for visual effect.
I believe it is always better to keep a fly above a fish (even more-so than to it's side, and definitely, there's no point in your fly being below a fish, as it simply won't see it), and as such have found one or two patterns with the JC below work very well.
One in particular is the "copper king", tied originally by a friend, and a serious taker of summer and back end fish. I'll post up a pic to let you see later.
Altmor.
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Post by salmonnut on Oct 5, 2007 17:59:03 GMT
One in particular is the "copper king", tied originally by a friend, and a serious taker of summer and back end fish. I'll post up a pic to let you see later............................................................... Look forward to seeing the pic as ive been looking for the pattern to ty some up. I hooked a fish estin the 30 to 35lb class on a ck in 2005. it was tied on a low water kamisan treble. the fish ran me into a snag and when i got my fly back it resembled a fork, totaly straightened the hook, jusy glad i had a couple of witnesses. The river was the Forth at stirling
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Post by altmor on Oct 5, 2007 22:52:33 GMT
The copper king :  The JC underbody - I'll pop a few more up, waddingtons, etc to show the visual effect of underbody JC cheeks. Altmor. |
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Post by salmonnut on Oct 5, 2007 23:06:10 GMT
Altmor, can you post the pattern, Thats the 1, regards SN
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Post by altmor on Oct 5, 2007 23:34:18 GMT
Try this Salmonnut :
Hook : Size 10 or 8 Esmond Drury Outpoints
Tail : Golden pheasant crest tied on top of shank without removing much of base "white" fibers.
Body : copper pearl tinsel.
Rib : med copper wire.
Top wing : Orange buck tail or goat hair (thick at head, tapering to just short of tail length). Overlaid wit 2 strands crystal hair.
Hackle : Black/dark brown badger hackle, 2-3 turns, with cream/white tippets on hackle ends.
Under cheeks : Jungle cock eyes, splayed out to show under body.
Head : Black thread, whip finished with black varnish.
Hope this is ok to follow - Altmor.
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Post by salmonnut on Oct 5, 2007 23:48:26 GMT
Many thanks Alltmor,I will ty a couple tomo night and post some pics for your thoughts. Regards SN
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Post by altmor on Oct 6, 2007 9:15:59 GMT
Look forward to them SN.
I'm away for a walk up the Endrick with the rod - don't think there'll be anything doing, with river poss too low, but worth a check out, following Thursday's rise to 1.2m.
Only got a couple of hours till the next "taxi run" for junior.
Will be using a size 16 copper king - tiny JC under the body - let you know how it fairs.
Altmor.
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Post by smokiesalmon on Oct 6, 2007 11:22:52 GMT
cheers troops im of to tye a few in my cabin as im at sea. have to wait till i get home and give them a go .nice fly altmor cheers for the pic bud
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Post by altmor on Oct 6, 2007 14:23:29 GMT
Well nothing doing on the Endrick - I've seen more water in one of Sheik Yermani's swimming pools than the pools on the Endrick today. Good walk though.  Think I'll tie up a few copper kings myself Smokie - for whenever the rains hit us. Cheers, Altmor. |
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Post by smokiesalmon on Oct 6, 2007 22:30:54 GMT
altmor can you get a day ticket on the endrick or is it still kept for the aa guys. i remember fishing it for course fish years ago we camped out in a feild next to a bridge paid the old gal 5 quid for the camping good memorries.........has the leven been fishing.......................? cheers bud rgds ss
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Post by altmor on Oct 7, 2007 8:15:20 GMT
SS, don't know about the water controlled by the llaa, if a day ticket can be had or not. Fruin might know - amoungst others if this is an option.
I did get a day ticket from the farm on the right hand side of the road, heading down the hill into Croftammie - it's got a sign at the side of the road "farm shop", and fished their stretch of the Endrick. No fish when I was there but looked a good section of water. It lies just up from the Drymen bridge, as it bends round opposite to Buchanan Golf Course entrance.
The bit I fish is way up level with Balfron, hence the need for rain - it rises and falls v. fast. It is a private section of water, owned by the Duntreath Estate. Normally it would account for between 6 - 12 fish per season - mainly in September and October - this year, I haven't managed to get a rod on it !!
Fruin should also know the up to min info for the Leven. I've heard it's doing ok and there's a good head of fish in the Loch, waiting for the rain for a massive surge up the Endrick.
When that happens - I'll not be around for a wee while ;D ;D
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Post by Fruin on Oct 7, 2007 11:26:33 GMT
The LLAIA (Loch Lomond Angling Improvemet Association) do not sell day tickets. You have to subscribe to an annual membership to fish the LLAIA stretches. However, this would also allow you to fish the River Leven, River Fruin, and the Loch itself.
Bislands have a yard in Croftamie; I think they still sell day tickets for a fair stretch of water adjacent to Croftamie.
I hear that Dalnair farm, above the Pots of Gartness, also sells day tickets.
Both these stretches are very cheap, and should allow any legal method. Both are known to produce fish in a spate.
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Post by salmonnut on Oct 7, 2007 16:33:26 GMT
Tied the copper king last night. Its tied on an ED outpoint, size 10 but without the JC. waiting for a new cape to arrive. damned postal strike. Now ive tied it im not sure if its the same pattern as the one i had hooked the lunker on the Forth with but ill give it a swim. Cheers SN  |
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Post by altmor on Oct 7, 2007 17:05:32 GMT
That looks the business SN - a nice sinewy tail and wing will give good movement. Looks not too bad without the JC too. Have no doubts it will tempt one up from its lie.
Altmor.
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Post by smokiesalmon on Oct 8, 2007 2:14:37 GMT
cheers fruin n altmor ill give it a go sometime as im only 20 min from the loch......... rgds ss
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Post by salmonnut on Oct 8, 2007 10:29:25 GMT
Cheers altmor, Maybe get a chance to try it out on Wednesday on the Teith if we get enough rain. Regards SN
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