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Post by salmonfly on Dec 14, 2005 12:48:34 GMT
How many people here use the underhand cast?
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Post by williegunn on Mar 24, 2006 23:17:04 GMT
Yes
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Post by omega45 on Mar 25, 2006 18:49:46 GMT
I used this cast with ST and mono-RL (amnesia) on single handed rods... great in a wind... the head is drawn back low over the water and to the side ... this eliminates getting "stuck" in the waders ... the arm follows upward to load ... then complete the double haul ...
allows water coverage very quickly to see if "anyone's home " .... intermediate to fast-sink 3M ST 30ft ... 30lb amnesia ...
always use the ellipse to generate energy and accellerate ...
there was a berliner here last fall, demonstrating scandi-rods and heads ... rods were unusual ... quite a spring load ... thin walled ... not sure if graphite or some other new material ... was friend of Manfred Raguse ...
Gaula, norway beats ... polymer RL like amnesia ...
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Post by hans on Apr 13, 2006 8:10:40 GMT
When I started salmonfishing, the Speycast was some sort of magic movement for me, impossible for me to perform. Coming to Norway there were meny places impossible for me to fish, due to my lack of practise.
I had a 2-day casting tutorial from Goran Andersson, in fact the guy who developed the underhand-cast. We took these lessons with a group of 12 persons, it must have been funny to see this group of more or less adults standing in a row with rods and reels, without lines out. Just practise the typical moves of the underhand-cast.
But: it really helped! I am not an expert caster now, but I can cast my line pretty well, and it really is a great feeling if you find the rod works the way it was intended to do.... I am sure this underhand-cast brought me some nice fish over the years.
Hans.
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Post by Fruin on Apr 13, 2006 9:46:31 GMT
Springer,
You can try attaching a polyleader to lengthen the line.
Sometimes if you are struggling to get an anchor to nip the water you can pause slightly before performing the forward stroke. This is sometimes just enough to let the anchor catch. The secret is getting the timing and power right, so that you catch the anchor but don't let the d loop collapse.
Also, performing the back cast with the rod angled closer to the water, or horizontal, than in a normal cast, or, increasing the overhang of the running line will work.
If you try all of these you will find the one that works best for you and your setup.
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Post by macd on Apr 13, 2006 10:41:23 GMT
fruin is spot on, I just spent a week experimenting with my shooting head set up. Using polys of differing lengths and densities you will find what suits. I used an intermediate SH 10ft fast sink poly with a short 4-5ft leader. Worked a treat
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Post by Fruin on Apr 13, 2006 13:25:51 GMT
Springer,
I make my own polyleaders. I have found that the running line and front tapers from mill-end fly lines work a treat. I used the running line from WF12 fast sinkers and extra fast sinkers to make polyleaders up to 15ft in length.
I thought that this might give poor presentation, but for some reason, not known to myself, the whole thing and leader seem to turn over very nicely.
The use of running lines for polyleaders gives a much thinner diameter so that it does not feel like you have a brick attached to the end of your fly line. Personally, I hate factory made polyleaders as I've yet to find one that hasn't got an overly chunky connection to the fly line.
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Post by hans on Apr 14, 2006 19:04:45 GMT
Hi Springer, I use the Sage TCR 14 ft, #9 rod.
In combination with the Loop shooting-system it really does the job. I have cut approx. 1 yard to customise it to the rod.
Behind this is a Loop runningline, I like it more than amnesia and other nylons.
Hans.
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Post by robson on Jun 1, 2006 6:19:45 GMT
I have a Hardy shooting head system for 10/11. They are 12m long and it is ok with the floating or int heads with say a 15-20 foot leader but I struggle with the fast sink as to keep my fly down deep I would use only 6 ft leader and it is hard to load and get a good anchor. If i use a long leader surely the fly will rise above the line and loose depth. What do you do? Regards, Springer I have a Hardy Salmon Shooting head floater 10-11 (39g) and it is a great line for a 15' 10-11 rod. Then I ordered a Salmon fast sinker 10-11 and found it useless, because it weights only 31 grams. No use for a 10-11 rod...  |
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Post by glisters1 on Sept 9, 2006 13:43:26 GMT
I have just purchased a set of 10/11 shooting heads.Can someone please tell me the difference between underhand casting and the single Spey cast or better still some pictures of someone performing the under hand cast.Thanking you all in anticipation.
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Post by hans on Sept 17, 2006 19:27:38 GMT
Basically the difference is, hat with Speycasting most of the work is done with the upper hand, and with the Underhandcast the lower hand is the moving hand. Originally Goran Andersson claims the cast will be even better with the upper hand close to the reel, thus increasing the speed of the line. Think a demo, performed by smeone who knows both technigues wok better than an written expanation...  Cheers, Hans. |
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Post by glisters1 on Sept 28, 2006 10:38:04 GMT
Thank you Hans for your information.I have not got round to trying this type of casting and have not seen anyone else using it no doubt I will soon.
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Post by minitube on Oct 8, 2006 21:44:30 GMT
Omega 45
The German caster from the Gaula is Andre Schultz I believe.
I use underhand casting extensively, especially for sunk line fishing in the spring. A much shorter and tighter stroke is used than with Spey casting.
Fortunately I had a lesson from Goran Andersson when he was at Sportfish in Reading.
Andre Schultz has a very dynamic and effective style of underhand casting, I have learned his style recently second hand from another German angler. I intend some time to learn directly from Andre Schultz.
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Post by minitube on Oct 13, 2006 23:08:30 GMT
Hi Springer,
Now I usually use the Scierra MWF system. A Kit can be bought from Scierra which is the modified weight forward fly line system. It comes in a wallet with easy loop to loop connections and has a running line - then three separate heads or bellies which are a floater, a sink tip and a class 6 sinker then three tips which are an intermediate, a fast sink and a super fast sink. with this combination it is posible to fish at many different depths. I also buy separately a Scierra class two belly and a long distance sink tip which they also sell but which do not come in the kit. I would use the class two sinker most in spring. For a floating tip I use a poly leader and a long tapered leader. The Scierra MWF kits are available in weights from 7/8 up to 10/11.
In the past I used made up shooting heads from No 12 D.T. wet cel class two sinkers and cut them to suit the rods, used with orvis flat beam running line on behind. Two heads could be made from one D.T. Line. Ken Sawada and Loop both sell shooting heads for custom cutting / fine tuning to rods.
I now sometimes use Vision shooting heads as I like their taper. I also have some Guideline shooting heads. I used to use the long loop leaders and add tippet to them now I use Poly leaders and a long tapered leader.
The German underhand casters name is spelt Scholz and apparently he has video clips of underhand casting on the Winston rods web site though I have not looked that up yet.
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