full sinking line?

[robmason]

The same line rating works for me, ie 10/11 for both. It may be sensible to step down to a 65 ft sinker if you use the longer floater.

[iainjay]

Thanks Rob, I use the 65' floater, should have mentioned that.Not experienced enough yet for anything longer.

Cheers

[robmason]

I'm sure you will find the IG sinking lines good to use. I had no problems with them having previously been used to the shorter head of the Michael Evans lines.

[Sloggi]

graham said:

Best of luck with the course.

Cheers Graham - I'm looking forward to it. Not confident of getting the provisional qualification but I've got to start somewhere.

[johnmac]

Thanks for the info guys! Lots of food for thought! Just to throw a spanner in the works........ is a sink tip line and option for the Spring on the Ericht, for those of you that know the river?? to which i could add poly leaders when required for a little more depth??

Or would i not be able to fish a pool quite so well.... and be better off with an intermediate or full sinker??

Cheers all , John

[rennie]

Eh up Johnmac,firstly the Diawa lines are fine,used both medium and fast sink for a while,the medium sink would be better for the Ericht but only with plenty of water coming down.Now a wet cel 2 is the standard sinking line for Salmon and in 10/11/12 sizes sinks at about 3" per sec. so if you cant get hold of an actual wet 2 in a size to suit your rod there are alternatives available(10 and 11 wet 2s in 40yd DTs are still around,try Fawcetts,Mallochs[Perth],Tweedside Tackle etc. etc.)In my opinion for the Ericht you will only need a wet 2 type sinker in high/cold water,a better choice would be a Multi-Tip,or Floater or Intermediate in conjunction with poly-tips.Look to stay flexible in your approach the Ericht is a spate river and water height can change all too quickly,stay in touch with the water height,adjust your approach accordingly.The photo of your fav. pool,that pool and the two below it are perfect for this sort of approach (with a bit of luck usually get to fish here a couple of times a year),early season fish an Intermediate switching to a floater as the water warms and levels drop, choose poly-tips to suit. Mr Ritchies tactics are spot on,early season thats how I go at it too but on the Ericht I would look to cover the beat so would only put up one rod and change tack to suit individual pools.Talk nice to Santa,good luck and tight lines. Pedro.

[speycaster]

hi sloggi are doing the salmon or single hander test do you not have to have an asseement first before the provisional ,and is it apagai or advanced apgai mate

[johnmac]

thanks for the info Pedro, much appreciated!

[Sloggi]

speycaster said:

hi sloggi are doing the salmon or single hander test do you not have to have an asseement first before the provisional ,and is it apagai or advanced apgai mate

I will do the development and assessment salmon course in Kenmore next March. When I spoke with Illtyd, he called it the AAPGAI - Association of Advanced Professional Game Angling Instructors - it also says this on the application form.

I don't think I'd pass the provisional without doing quite a bit of preparation work - fingers crossed

[kelliefly]

John, try a Michael evens line wet one or a wet two as they are a good line on the Erich as it has a shortish head [ thats what i use all the time on the Erich and works well for me]

[kelliefly]

oops sorry about the missing t in ericht

[johnmac]

i shall have a look Grant! thanks. and congrats about the new job aswell!

[ceilidh]

As usual lots of good advice here.
I agree that there are occasions where a full sinker may be the best choice (such as fishing a deep pool from a boat or where the deepest water or fastest current is near your own bank) but. like others, I tend to use multi tips or combinations of multi tip bodies and poly leaders more than anything else, except when fishing full floaters.
If you can find one on Ebay, the Hardy Distance Spey Fast Sinker is exceptionally good value ( I think I paid £12 plus p&p) and very easy to cast. Having a short head it would probably be fine for the Ericht.
One problem when fishing a full sinking line on a beat which I fish regularly is that the deep water and stronger current, but with good taking places, is on the far bank and the river becomes increasingly slacker and shallower, with several large submerged boulders, but also some productive salmon lies as it approaches my own bank. Reaching the taking places on either bank is not a problem, but catching fish rather than rocks is!

[speycaster]

good luck with your AAPGAI sloggi get plenty of practice best of luck

[Sloggi]

speycaster said:

good luck with your AAPGAI sloggi get plenty of practice best of luck

Cheers Speycaster - I'm looking forward to learning more about fishing, meeting other fishers, and developing my ropey casting

[garry4]

I keep thinking the dearer the line the better they are what are ur veiws on this and do you really need a sinking line for the back end ?

[Speyducer]

garry4 said:

I keep thinking the dearer the line the better they are what are ur veiws on this and do you really need a sinking line for the back end ?

Hi Garry,

Firstly, don't be bamboozled by the glossy adverts regarding line X or Y, especially if X costs twice Y.

There are good lines, pretty ordinary lines, somewhat c**p lines, and very good lines; without singing the praises of any particular line, firstly think of the job you are requiring that line to do.

Next, and almost certainly the most important factor, is the rod you will be using to cast that line.

And somewhere near the bottom of the list is your current casting ability, and the thickness of your wallet.

You did mention sinking lines for the backend. Well, there are sinking lines and sinking lines. Choice depends on the waters you will be fishing.

If it is full of deep holding pools & dubs, then a full sinking line is often better than an intermediate or sink tip. But, you may need to consider will you be using heavily, lightly or unweighted flies?

The best way to sort out all the possible confusions that are there in making such a rational choice that is the best for YOU, have a chat with some of the other fishermen who use the waters you will be fishing, and, if possible, arrange a trial of some lines on your rod so that you can make a more informed choice before opening that wallet.

A local ghillie, or casting instructor will give you better advice for you personally that the guy behind the counter in the fly tackle shop (unless they just happen to be one & the same person )

Mike

[rpsalmon]

If a river is shallow (up to 8 ft) and the water temp doesn't fall below say 6 centigrade, then you can probably get away with just using a floating fly line as long as you have a few heavy tubes. You could invest in a sinking fly line attachment that you could pick up for £5, and this would help to an extent but, I prefer fully sinking lines and lighter lures as I consider it a far better way to present a lure to the fish.

John Norris's is one of a number of retailers who sell cheap DT sinking fly lines, I'd go for a slow sinker to start you off as this is less problematic for someone just starting out to cast sinking fly lines.