Ou est CLaG?

[salmonking]

Why would anyone want to leave such a great place?

This is an excellent forum and always will be,we're not all going to agree with each other,,,that would make salmon fishing boring
f f s,,,no need to spit the dummy and leave
I had a few private spats with c l a g ,but i hope he sees sense and comes back,,,COME ON WE'RE ALL GROWN MEN HERE?

or are we

[salmonking]

Ok ,then how do we change it?

I'm easy osy,,,,people must put themselves forward ,,then the members must vote,,,
Oh god not another general election already
Only this ones more important

[williegunn]

I'll start by banning anyone who upsets me, then you will have a ship with a rudder, mind you few would like the direction the ship has taken.

I would suggest everyone settles down, thinks before they post, and stop spitting their dummies out of the pram.

When CLAG marched in here with a nom de net of Casts like a Gillie he upset a few folk, me included, but we all stuck around and did not march off to start our own forums. I am sure RP salmon will soon learn to post more carefully and not be so abrasive.

Settle down it is only the internet, not the real world.

[williegunn]

Alan
You can have 849 moderators for all I care, but it will achieve nothing.
Everyone should take care in what they post, otherwise the board will fail, having a Stalin like approach to moderation will only hasten the end.
I moderate on other boards and tend to take a relaxed view, Dana's site has become stale and boring because of overmoderation.

Alan this is not the real world this is just an internet forum, what ever you may think.

[paulsewin]

williegunn said:

I am sure RP salmon will soon learn to post more carefully and not be so abrasive.

I really hope you're right.

Unfortunately, the 150+ posts so far don't provide any evidence of any learning. The overwhelming impression is of someone intent on teaching!

[jock]

williegunn said:

I'll start by banning anyone who upsets me, .

Good, what follows,will save me resigning then ;D

williegunn said:

Settle down it is only the internet, not the real world.

WG it may have past you by, but the internet is part of the real world. Insulting, disrespectful behaviour is as unacceptable here as it is in your "real world". Are you seriously saying that you could be racist, sectarian etc. here because it is the "internet and not the real world". If you are, why don't you download a bit of childporn etc and use your "its only the internet" arguement in court. Doubt if even CLaG could win your case on that basis ;D

[rpsalmon]

Since most of my views are actually contained within various respected publications I can just imagine what certain contributors think of a number of authors. But since those same contributors' contributions are often irrelevant as well as venomous, it is perhaps best to leave such contributors to drown in their own inexperience and ignorance.

Please do tell me the name of CLAG's new web site, I'll have a look as well.

[williegunn]

springer said:

I believe a quiet word should have been spoken woth RPS when his style became obvious, a simple reminder might have followed if ignored. There are significantly more members up in arms over him than any other issue. How much complaining has to be done before any moderation happens.

3 people moaned anout my holiday post and it was moved.

What would you suggest I said to RPS? Do not upst CLAG as he will spit out his dummy and leave?

Do not be abrasive as Southpark Kenny or what ever his last name was will also leave?

If you dislike the guy pick holes in his arguements or ignore him but please do not expect me to hold your hand.

[williegunn]

springer said:

Clag and Kenny both high on your Christmas card list I wonder how you might have reacted if it was one of your chums

No; and my chums would have to look after themselves, they are all big boys.

springer said:

Are you blind or choosing not to look for some personal reason

The guy has caused such uproar and you've got selective blindness.

The manner and tone alone was bad even by your standards

The guy has poor internet social manners but I cannot ban him for that, can I?

As I said previously I cannot ban people I dislike, or even ban people you dislike.
You will just have to learn to live with it.

[williegunn]

springer said:

For the record, do you know the guy or have in any way been aquainted?

No never met him in my life. What difference does it make?

[rpsalmon]

I am not connected with and do not know "Willie Gunn" or the person appearing on the web site listed in his postings. He has just given me a warning and I have understood that, I will take that in board. If anyone wishes to present reasoned argument to any of my posts then do so. I have often made sarcastic and impolite remarks to people who have made, what I consider to be at best, ridiculous or idiotic remarks. In view of Willie Gunns remarks I will change that "policy"-however difficult it will be for me.

[minitube]

While no one knows who rpsalmon is, he is obviously a very experienced salmon angler in my opinion. No more so than a lifelong ghillie, but I would say he is probably at that level of experience.

[williegunn]

rpsalmon said:

In view of Willie Gunns remarks I will change that "policy"-however difficult it will be for me.

I think you meant Willie Gunn's remarks but I will probably get in trouble again for that.

Good night all.

[davewallbridge]

springer said:

I believe a quiet word should have been spoken woth RPS when his style became obvious, a simple reminder might have followed if ignored.

Springer,

I understand exactly where your words are coming from but what are you suggesting ?
What if a quiet word and a reminder brings no improvement ?

Are you suggesting that the Admins. should give the 'old headmaster' two strikes and then out just because you and others (myself very much included) might feel his contributions(?) make him appear conceited, egocentric, arrogant, selfish and inconsiderate ?
That would set a very worrying precedent as far as I am concerned and if this public forum site should ever adopt a policy of expelling members because of the way they express their views then I, for one, would be out of here like a shot.
I think the level of moderation is pretty good on here just as it is.


You will always get the odd cretin on any public forum (some more odd than others ) and I have found the best thing to do is just ignore them.
For instance, whenever I see "rpsalmon" above a post I simply scroll past it. As I have determined that he is not the kind of person I wish to converse with there is little point in my reading any of his posts.

Dave.

[williegunn]

springer said:

Don't expect we will ever find out about RPS

You could invite him to fish with you, or he could invite you to fish with him!

I first met MacD on this or another forum and we scrapped like cat and dog, I of course had the better of the exchanges, but when we met on the river we both got on well together and I like to think that Ross and myself as friends.

springer said:

Absoloutly,

Absolutely

[davewallbridge]

springer said:

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Absoloutly,

No messing about at all, if a member was to persist in this manner I would have no hesitation in expelling him.

RPS was welcome from the day he joined as all new members are, he chose his own attitude etc not us.

Other than Hadrian a long time ago and notipping latterly no other poster IMHO has came close to warranting expulsion.

If RPS does as he says then he is welcome IMHO, although he will struggle to connect with many members now.

Yet in an earlier reply you said:

springer said:

Im not suggesting a Stalinist approach at all.

???????????

If you take away the freedom of how they express themselves from the members, interesting debate and humour will be diminished.

Overmoderation has turned the Speypages site into a bland, sycophantic dollop of treacle where everyone is so far up each others .............. that they are all too scared to say anything that may be controversial in case they upset anyone (like The Boss)

As I see it, this is a public forums site and anyone is entitled to register and express their views in any way they see fit. Inevitably some people will annoy others, we are all different to each other and have our own ideas, likes and prejudices etc., and our own view as to what is correct.
All that you can ask is that the members address each other in a considerate and polite way and do not contravene the ProBoards terms and conditions.
Impose any other forms of censorship and you will be moving towards what you intimated would be a Stalinist type administration.

Dave.

[clag]

Dear Knights of the Rod & Line

I received various phone calls and e-mails asking why I have left the Forum, and was it because of this or that. I was a bit surprised at the reaction. So I thought I'd log on one last time to explain why and also to say adieu.

Well, the main reason is rather more mundane. Whether you agree with what I posted or not, I hope you would accept I have always tried to justify what I have said with some detailed and reasoned argument. As I also noted, much of this was not my own observation or experience, but the combined 'wisdom' of a pool of over 200 years of very broad and current experience. I'll attempt to sum all that up in one sentence: Never forget the three absolutes in salmon fishing and you will go a long way indeed.

However, to write, hopefully, meaningful posts takes time. At the moment I cannot afford to indulge time thieves that would detract my focus from other matters. So to remove temptation I have logged off from here and from a couple of other non fishing forums I was on.

All that remains is to thank you for allowing me to be a regular in this particular pub; I have thoroughly enjoyed it. Perhaps one day if you happen to see some poor bloke being admonished by the leader of the Edinburgh Mafia 'the Don' for "casting like a gillie" you'll know it is me and come over and say hello.

ATB and regardez

CLaG

[speycaster]

well done

[beanieboy]

The day they made Willie Bumm a moderator I stated the lunatics had now taken over the asylum - why are folks surprised the forum has gone downhill? The worst thing I could say about Clag was that he was a bit 'wordy' other than that I found his posts interesting and informative.

[speycaster]

farewell sir clag may your rod be bent many times