JUNGLE cock EYES

[tayspringer]

THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF DEBATE THESE DAYS WHERE THE JUNGLE cock EYES SHOULD BE ON A FLY ?

Some advocate that they should be

at the sides,
2 eyes on top
1 eye top and 1 bottom

Any experts out there got the perfect position for JC eyes?

[granters]

I'm no expert but i'm trying them on the arse of the fly as this is the part the fish sees most! just trying to think of a pattern that it'll work on just now

[rennie]

Tubes and waddys in the bigger sizes try either side so they look like eyes,for smaller tubes(1" or smaller) and going to dressed hooks try a pair on top,depending on the patter en you are tying obviously.Maybe the clue is the bigger and more fishy the fly is going to be mount the jungle cock to look like eyes. Pedro.

[altmor]

Or ... try the two JC eyes under the body. The theory being as seen in the photo, a small size 10 treble, used in summer, will usually swim above the fish, so the fish notice it from below, and with the added JC - I think makes it attractive to the fish and promotes aggression / a take.

This is a Copper King and caught a good number for me last season.

[tayspringer]

I have tied top and bottom on this fly. What do you think?

[altmor]

Cracking fly, ... by the way, is that the right way up or is it upside down ? ;D

[lomond]

Personally, I think it doesn't matter to the salmon if the fly has JC on it or not. I agree with springer that the profile and mobility is more important. I used both JC and non JC flies and can't say I catch more fish with JC flies. It may make the fly look better to the fisherman,but does the salmon think the same ?

[davewallbridge]

lomond said:

Personally, I think it doesn't matter to the salmon if the fly has JC on it or not. I agree with springer that the profile and mobility is more important. ......... It may make the fly look better to the fisherman,but does the salmon think the same ?

I agree.

Recent discussion here :
www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7544

Dave.

[jkboy]

Although I put JC on many of my flies, to be honest I don't think it makes a BLIND bit of difference if a fly has no eyes! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[exerod]

Anyway why do we call them jungle cock eyes. An eye is a black circle surrounded by a white or coloured ring, the exact opposite of a jungle cock feather.

Andy

[easky]

I tend to tie them on Irish Shrimp patterns, I tie then roofed and at the sides so that they show from below the fly. I think one theory is that in this format they are supposed to be like egg sacks on a shrimp. I have never looked at a real shrimp that close but it does seem to make sense .

I also tie some bigger and hairwind patterns with the JC on the sides to replicate eyes. So I think there are at least 2 different uses for it.

E

[Sloggi]

In the "6 flies for the season" thread we had the Cascade as the no.1 fly - no JC Neither does an Ally's Shrimp or a Ness C - two other very popular flies.