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Post by Sloggi on Feb 17, 2007 23:56:16 GMT
I have done this a few times with limited success. Anyone else tried it? If so, I'd welcome some tips/advice regarding how to fish this way and tackle set-up. My memory seems to recall John Wilson doing this in Sweden whilst fishing for sea-trout but I may be mistaken.
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Post by johnny on Feb 18, 2007 0:01:09 GMT
I would imagine it would be the same set-up as a minnow with the weight around 18" from the fly, I vaguely remember that episode where he fishes for seatrout and I think he was using a bouncing betty or bait controller thingymajig, quite a strong water he was fishin I recall.
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Post by sagecaster on Feb 18, 2007 9:16:23 GMT
I've heard that using a bubble float and the fly can be deadly, especially in the summer when the grilse are about.
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Post by Fruin on Feb 18, 2007 9:19:51 GMT
A plastic tube would look more lively behind a weight, than a heavier tube or waddington. A bit like a floating devon minnow.
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Post by exerod on Feb 18, 2007 9:40:58 GMT
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Post by jock on Feb 18, 2007 9:42:24 GMT
I've heard that using a bubble float and the fly can be deadly, especially in the summer when the grilse are about. This method is used on the Moy and is effective in the correct conditions. Canal like stretches with poor flow for the fly can fish very well to this, especially when a breeze is creating a ripple on the surface. The method is not restricted to such areas, just that it can be an effective way of fishing the "fly" in them. The set up is mainline to swivel, then leader with one or two droppers then clear bubble float filled with water. I'm not aware of the method being in general use in Scotland and it is not a method I have used in Scotland, and only a little in Ireland. It has got me wondering, what if you turn up on a beat in Scotland fishing the fly this way, what would the Ghillie say?  Cheers, Jock |
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Post by johnny on Feb 18, 2007 10:50:15 GMT
Springers correct as I think the bubble float n' fly are a banned method up ere!
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Post by severnfisher on Feb 18, 2007 11:17:24 GMT
The link to Stump's excellent piece about using flies with a spinning rod on the lower severn tells a story. The tactic has been developed for some fisheries where fly fishing with a fly rod is banned.
Odd world isn't it. Prejudice is a two way street.
The classic paternoster set up for the Severn is a trace of at least 3 feet with either a three way swivel or a running rig and a short 3/4 inch 'rotten bottom' of less breaking strain than the mainline. 'Weight ' is whatever comes to hand. According to the most successful practitioner of the method I know the more standard tactic of a shorter leader and a wye lead fishes the minnow too low and leads to too many snag ups.
Tom
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Post by Sloggi on Feb 18, 2007 14:19:17 GMT
Sorry to have pinched your thread Springer  Interesting stuff though as getting the weight, including the fly, right will be all important and will vary between pools. The bigger question though is whether this is fly-fishing or spinning. It certainly brings the two methods together. Will it be more PC to spin with flies or fly-fish with spinning lures? Severnfisher, Where is fly-fishing banned and only spinning tackle allowed - great to see democracy at work  |
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Post by severnfisher on Feb 18, 2007 17:09:25 GMT
Sloggi,
Just checked on this with Stumpy. Strictly speaking it is wading that is banned, not fly fishing, but high banks make fly fishing without wading problematic.
Tom
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Post by sinkingtip on Mar 7, 2007 17:09:07 GMT
I have not fished this method myself but I know a man who does  - and to great effect !! Agree with earlier posts.....basically the same principle as' floating devon'. Think about it - why shouldn't it work ?. A 2"-3" light tube (as opposed to Waddingtons) which, because of their construction tend to be a bit heavier. Thereafter, to my mind, its exactly the same 'bouncing betty' / floating devon principle and technique. Fishing Tay this Saturday - might take some of my own advice for once and try it out for the last hour or so - got the perfect pool in mind . Let you all know what happened. |
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Post by para1 on Mar 7, 2007 19:12:09 GMT
We have a fly only strech here. Would it be spinning or fly fishing?.  My own option is if it's not on a fly rod and line then it is spinning. And to upset a few down here, fly and maggot is bait fishing . |
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Interesting stuff though as getting the weight, including the fly, right will be all important and will vary between pools. 
- and to great effect !! Agree with earlier posts.....basically the same principle as' floating devon'. Think about it - why shouldn't it work ?. A 2"-3" light tube (as opposed to Waddingtons) which, because of their construction tend to be a bit heavier. Thereafter, to my mind, its exactly the same 'bouncing betty' / floating devon principle and technique.