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Post by madkeen on Jul 15, 2007 10:01:17 GMT
This year i have been experimenting with retrieves while the fly is fishing round and on the dangle.I havent seen one salmon angler using the FOE retrieve and would like to know if anyone on the forum uses this retrieve to good effect.I would think a very fast FOE would be succesful when the fly is on the dangle but with fish numbers low this year it's hard to know if what were doing is right or wrong.
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Post by donnieW on Jul 15, 2007 10:10:12 GMT
Not the best year to experiment, as you say. I retrieve a lot (although never FOE) and it certainly works well on the rivers in the Hebrides. I can't do FOE - probably because of the amount of loch fishing I've done for salmon and seatrout over the years where a fairly fast retrieve gets results - but a slowish retrieve even on streamy water seems to work well.
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Post by wilbert on Jul 15, 2007 10:55:40 GMT
I may well be lining myself up to look very dumb but what is FOE?
Of all this fish that have taken on the dangle most have either taken as I start the first strip or when lifting the rod to make the next cast, very few have stayed on for long and I have only landed 1 or 2 of these.
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Post by splash on Jul 15, 2007 11:57:19 GMT
This year i have been experimenting with retrieves while the fly is fishing round and on the dangle.I havent seen one salmon angler using the FOE retrieve and would like to know if anyone on the forum uses this retrieve to good effect.I would think a very fast FOE would be succesful when the fly is on the dangle but with fish numbers low this year it's hard to know if what were doing is right or wrong. I do this quite a lot but with limited sucess thi season  Phil Fairchild's article in this months T&S goes into this in some depth and explains the rationale. Well worth a read |
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Post by zephead on Jul 15, 2007 12:41:35 GMT
That was what took the sea-trout yesterday-30 seconds of FOE before stripping to recast.Never thought to mention it given the imminent propsect of tea and cakes tho'..........!
ZH
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Post by madkeen on Jul 15, 2007 18:41:08 GMT
Thanks for the reply lads I will persevere with FOE/roly poly/FTA to see if I can find a retrieve to make these scarce fish take ;D
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Post by jkboy on Jul 15, 2007 21:09:24 GMT
I like a wee figure of eight just to keep tension on the line - don't do it all the time though, especially in cold water as for some reason the skin on my hands gets dead sore and I can barely move my fingers after a while.
I did manage to tempt a grilse 2 years ago which was showing steadilly, on about the fifth rattle through the pool it nailed the figure of 8'td yellow ally's.
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Post by juniorspey on Jul 15, 2007 21:10:23 GMT
I have had some good results FOE ing (  ) i normally start just before the fly reaches the dangle, so that it accelerates. but i have had a fish off the beauly using a fast foe right across the pool ;D ;D |
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Post by salmonking on Jul 15, 2007 21:30:47 GMT
Using the foe ,i have had great success ,this seems to provoke
quite a savage take at times,i also feel that more fish can be lost using this method ,hence as i stated in a previous post,i also let the fly swing naturally as well,ie two casts every step.
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Post by castlikeaghille on Jul 16, 2007 7:57:15 GMT
Thanks for the reply lads I will persevere with FOE/roly poly/FTA to see if I can find a retrieve to make these scarce fish take ;D Roly Poly can be just what the fuishes want for the Collie or Sunray, although it is a style that really only works with a shooting head. FTA has never worked for me although I've always considered it should and given it a fair crack of the whip. IMO Sea Trout and Salmon seem to lock in on a particular style of retreive (or none at all) and on a given day that's what they want and nothing else. However, I find little consistancy on what method they want on any given day. The number of times I think I've finally cracked it on the retreive, and the next time on the same style nadir...  Regardeth CLaG |
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Post by macd on Jul 16, 2007 8:31:09 GMT
i use steady 8-10" draws in slower water. also FOE- especially with wee tubes\hitched tubes- the bloke that showed me this says it annoys the F*** out ofthe fish. Sound reasoning I use a slow foe in faster water. Like jkboy suggests while its about imparting movement i also like to feel in touch with the fly. dont know if it makes any difference, but handlining does involve greater angler participation than the long pause that is chucking it out and waiting to recast. whats FTA? |
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Post by splash on Jul 16, 2007 8:33:37 GMT
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Post by castlikeaghille on Jul 16, 2007 8:56:53 GMT
FTA was a technique, I think, first described in a book called "Trout Fishing An Expert Approach" by Cairncross, Dawson and Ogbourne circa 1992. It was a method designed for stock rainbows that had wised up a bit. FTA is really a principle rather than a retreive. What it means is you don't cast and then retreive back the same way. So, for example, you would cast out, pull the line quicly three times, then slowly, then FOE, then stop altogether, pause and pull quickly. However, there is no specific combination that is FTA. Regards CLaG |
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Post by macd on Jul 16, 2007 8:59:41 GMT
im with you now, thank you
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Post by Bogyoch on Jul 17, 2007 5:36:19 GMT
A ghillie on the Deveron yesterday was handed a new rod and line combination by the fisher and was asked to try it out. After 3 or 4 casts and handlining back in quickly, a fish took and a fresh 17 pounder came to the net.
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Post by macd on Jul 17, 2007 7:20:06 GMT
thats the way to handline |
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Phil Fairchild's article in this months T&S goes into this in some depth and explains the rationale. Well worth a read
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