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Post by severnfisher on Sept 25, 2007 16:43:45 GMT
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Post by acw on Sept 25, 2007 17:33:33 GMT
Tom ,dont know how to help have just copy and pasted on the FFF forum ,thats got the biggest flyfishing following in the UK Yougot Ideas ,if I can help shout !! |
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Post by severnfisher on Sept 25, 2007 18:44:20 GMT
Thanks for putting the link up.
will report any developments.
Tom
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Post by severnfisher on Sept 27, 2007 7:41:08 GMT
An angling friend of mine is quite prominent in the bird lobby. He say's they've done a lot of work exposing the impact of the Cardiff bay scheme on the birds there, and is cobnfident that they can make a very strong case against the Severn barrage.
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Post by esox on Sept 27, 2007 20:41:44 GMT
Did you see this? The Severn estuary was recently announced by Joan Ruddock as a candidate Special Area of Conservation under the EC Habitats Directive. www.defra.gov.uk/news/2007/070831b.htmThis means it has legal status and any development proposal would have to be considered under the requirements of Part IV of the 1994 Habitats Regulations. Even without that, the government would still have to be mindful of any threats to the Wye which is an SAC also (for Atlantic salmon) before giving the nod to the barrage otherwise it would risk the wrath of the European Commission. They're currently pushing Poland hard over a motorway which runs through a designated area. europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/07/1191More info here if you've got a high boredom threshold... www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/ewd/ewd09.htmI think some pretty seriously flaming hoops are going to have to be jumped through for the Severn Barrage to get approval.Still, never say never... |
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Post by severnfisher on Oct 1, 2007 20:22:52 GMT
Thanks very much for that Esox.
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Post by acw on Oct 2, 2007 11:39:05 GMT
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Post by wilbert on Oct 2, 2007 13:28:12 GMT
I hope that the lobby groups are successful in stopping this from happening. There is not one successful barrage in operation within the UK and I would suspect the rest of the world.
We are in a similar situation on the Ribble with the narrow minded non elected bigwigs at Preston City Council who are trying to rail road a barrage through as they are under the impression that a big lake / ecological nightmare / flood disaster will create jobs and keep skills in the area. Utter Boll*ck$!!!!!!!!
I smell big fat back handers from the developers who stand to make millions.
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Post by dryfly on Oct 2, 2007 13:50:50 GMT
The argument that has to be balanced against and which will be pushed hard is a tough one and a carefuly thought out campaign needs to be mounted if the barrage is to be stopped. The barrage will produce 5% of the UK's total energy requirements for 125 years and is carbon neutral. One impact of carbon emissions which will probably come out in the debate over the barrage is the question of the north Atlantic conveyor stopping, possibly in the next ten years, possibly the next 50. This will lead to temperature drops (climate change is not only about warming) of considerable significant. The majority of fresh water rivers in western europe will freeze during the Autumn to mid spring meaning no more Atlantic salmon nor the vast majority of other wild life in the estuary news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4485840.stm I'm not sure whether I personally would see the barrage as a lesser evil or not. I ve not read enough background to make a judgment yet. But the debate will be a tough one either way. |
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Post by dighty on Oct 4, 2007 20:03:15 GMT
Dryfly, that's an interesting point and its one which will be heavily exploited by the proponents. The question is, will the emissions free electricity which the barrage will provide make one jot of difference to global scale climate change? I doubt it. So whats the point?
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Post by severnfisher on Oct 6, 2007 18:35:09 GMT
I don't think we need to talk about lesser evils. The fact is that there are other ways of using the tidal force of the Severn, if that is necessary, for instance a series of lagoons. Capitalism being what it is developers can make as much out of that as a barrage.
The big political problem is that a barrage would be a grand scale stalinist monument to Gordon Brown and Rhodri Morgan. A bit like the huge and dysfunctional high rise council blocks were to a previous generation of labour leaders who didn't have to live in them.
Tom
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