Monteith Line

[splash]

macd said:

I couldnt agree more splash.

I use my trusty Scott MacK 15' and even with the two heavy tips the full monty it is a dream to fish with.

I had an hour out today- went for a paper and had my first go on the full floater with the 15" floating tip. Its a fecking joy to cast.

Nae fush though.

A common outcome for us both McD This season has been brutal so far

[rennie]

Cheers Jock,thanks for the feedback on my feedback,If thats your first effort on lines then you have to be commended and if its not the first then commendations any road.With more time to experement I am sure I could find more to like about this line,maybe a quicker intermediate tip(or slow sinker?).Thing is I didnt plan to have a go with the line it just dropped in my lap for a day or so,you could say I gave it a go with a totally open mind.Would reccomend one to anybody and will buy one when the time is nigh for me good luck with them.Oh any chance of a sinker in wet 2 type with a similar tip system of purely sinkers for us dyed in the wool sunk line blokes?. Cheers Pedro.

[donnieW]

I tried the full floater recently with a 15ft oracle and found it effortless. No memory at all. Also got lucky and gave it a good stretch!

[paddymc]

just wondering if the monteith multi tip would be heavy enough to properly load my 15ft #11 vision catapult , even with just the shorter tip.

[paddymc]

thanks for the reply springer,

at the minute im using a hardy mach 2 plus floating #11 with polyleaders but like the sound of the versatility of the monteith. my current set up loads the rod well to my taste but doesnt allow me to get down very well when needed. wonder if the monteith would load the rod just as well.

[sagecaster]

paddymc said:

just wondering if the monteith multi tip would be heavy enough to properly load my 15ft #11 vision catapult , even with just the shorter tip.

As springer says its a matter of opinion as to what loading properly means. IMO if your rod is a true #11 then it will struggle on the full 78ft, but will just work on the 68ft. The 68 configuration flies like a dream off a #10.

[quinnx]

I know this may seem like a silly question...but what is the best way to attach the backing to this line? All my other lines don't have loops so I have always used nail Knots.

Do I create a loop in the backing and do a loop to loop connection? My concern is that with the dacron backing being softer and a finer line it won't hold a loop but tighten-up and crimp the lines loop....cutting into it.

Please share your expertise.

[splash]

quinnx said:

I know this may seem like a silly question...but what is the best way to attach the backing to this line? All my other lines don't have loops so I have always used nail Knots.

Do I create a loop in the backing and do a loop to loop connection? My concern is that with the dacron backing being softer and a finer line it won't hold a loop but tighten-up and crimp the lines loop....cutting into it.

Please share your expertise.

Hi, I reported on this topic a couple of months back and by far the best connection that you can employ IMHO is a loop to loop set up using a bimini twist in the backing connecting to a small loop created in the fly line by two nail knots using 12lb mono. This will give you a set up that is both neat, is the strongest possible and will fly through the rings when a big fish takes. I have used this set up on my salt water lines for some time and its been tested on some large bluefin tuna and trevally and is totally reliable.

In Chico Fernandez book on bone fishing , he tests backing to fly line set ups using a Chantallon test scale which is the same official scale that the likes of Scientific Anglers use for flyline and backing tests. A loop to loop created as outlined above, using 20lb backing broke at 19.5 lbs (96%) whereas other commonly used set ups such as a nail knot to backing broke at 12.3lbs (60%), needle knot, 12.4lb (61%) and allbright special, 11.4lb (57%). This may surprise some anglers and is food for thought when a big fish has a lot of backing out.

Its well worth learning to tie a bimini and to use this set up which also means its easy to change flylines by simply unlooping them from the backing. If you are using gelspun you do need to increase the turns in the bimini to around 70 whereas 30-40 will do for standard dacron. A nail knotted loop is stronger than a whipped loop as the mono actually embeds itself in the core of the flyline. Finally, I give the nail knots a light coating of UV knot sense which smooths them off nicely

cheers

Splash

[quinnx]

WOW thanks guys.


Ok though (excuse any American vernacular I may use) the Monteith line already has a loop built in so that isn't a problem.

What type of loop & knot do I put on the backing (dacron)? Should I create a loop of nylon and put this on the dacron or was the nylon just to secure the looped fly line?

Teach me O' Wise ones!

[billytheghillie]

try a double clinch knot, forget the nylon

[Yorkshire Esk]

www.killroys.com/knots/clinch.htm

A clinch knot

[clydebuilt]

Just back in tonight after trying the Monteith full floater on my Bruce & Walker Norway 16' 9/10 and thought I'd drop a line to let any prospective buyers have another review from an "average" casters point of view

I ordered the line late Thursday night, it arrived first thing Sat a.m. and I quickly spooled it onto my Marquis 3 and set about trying it with my "fair to middling" casting over the last 2 days.

I used it on Saturday on the river and today on a hill loch nearby(to experiment with poly tips etc and another excuse to give it a fling!)
I honestly can't believe how good it turns over the various tips compared to my other lines.

I found having the black head marker just outside the tip ring was my optimum loading point for this rod too.

I only had a 5' inter poly on during my time on the river yesterday but today I tried the 10' range from Inter through to Extra super fast sinker.

Now, normally this is where it goes wrong for me regarding turnover but no problems at all with this line, even into a headwind.

I was also pleasantly surprised how the fast sink polys sprang out fine and dandy even with a alli tube attached.

Normally I would have to stop the line when shooting to help turnover often resulting in a heavier than normall landing. This is maybe down to a p*ss poor technique but thats another story

So all in all I'm more than pleased by the lines performance & glad I decided to buy this line (at a good price aswell)

Never before have I managed to see the backing knot fly out the rings when speycasting until today!! Well chuffed ;D

Anyway, another happy customer, next up will be the Multi-tip line me thinks but for those who haven't yet tried a Monteith I see there is one in the line pool which would be well worth trying before buying.

Tightlines

Cheers
Clydebuilt

[greenbanks]

Dear keen learner and average to experienced casters.
Hopefully those who wish to keep up to speed with tackle developments will use this to great advantage as some of us do.
Buy from ebay at a ridiculous low price of 125 bleeps or thereabouts.Best money you could spend outwith fishing with me

[juststartedagain]

Clydebuilt,

I bought the mutli system 2 weeks ago and must say it is fantastic.

It is easy to cast/I didnt even notice the loop connections (compared to my Orvis tarry rope)/it was dead easy to use & to lift even the sink tip during the cast. I found the black marker very useful - just inside or outside the rod tip when on the bank or shallow wading, and down near the reel when deeper wading (using 15fter Orvis Streamline rod 10/11)

I found it has already improved my casting ability but not only that it has given me much greater confidence in my casting and therefore the ability to enjoy my fishing even more!!


I'm going to get some lessons form the man himself so as to understand the range of uses and flexibility of the system.