August T&S

[williegunn]

rpsalmon, I do the grumpy old sod on here, with there is nothing new under the sun line, do not start correcting spelling or grammer or you will be even more unpopular.

Welcome to the forum.

[castlikeaghille]

Hello rpsalmon

Welcome to the forum; you have arrived with a bang! I have read with great interest your comments and bibliography. I agree with a lot of what you say. I don't know you, or have any concept of your abilities or talents.

However, unlike you who, with comments such as you have posted, cannot possibly ever have met Phil Fairchild far less fished with him, I have fished regularly with him over the last six years on a diverse number of rivers; and no they are not all prime beats at prime times. Dr Philgood is legendary on various association waters - note the point he made in his article if you had taken the trouble to read it carefully.

On this forum there are many good, excellent and even outstanding anglers; I am sure you are one of them. However, in any given sport, pastime, profession sitting just above that are a few very rare talents indeed primus inter pars Phil Fairchild is in a very special place indeed. If he were a footballer he would be Pele, Maradona etc, Woods if a golfer, Senna if a racing driver - you get my drift?

So by all means continue to tell Pele how to play football. You have asserted we all engage brain; you are quite correct. Now I respectfully suggest you do the same.

Kind regards

CLaG

[zephead]

RPsalmon-I have never read such utter hogwash.

The articles by Dr Phil Fairchild are a very interesting take on his successful methodolgy which he has been bothered to submit to T&S,not I am sure,as I don't know him but know many who fish with do,out of a need for self engrandisement but from the persepective of sharing some of his techniques so as to improve the enjoyment of the sport of others.

Insofar as your approved reading list goes I would be reaching for the petrol and Swan Vestas.

I'll grant you Grant-start and end.

The mere omission of Falkus,Ashley Cooper and the collective body of works of Currie marks you as an angling literature Phillistine and the fact that Waddington never appears is beyond belief.The list of authors you suggest is like mentioning the runners in a Catterick seller in the same revered tones as Arkle,Mill House,Lescargot and Golden Miller.

I suggest you get typing and submit your piscatorial atom splittting theorem to Mr Flitcroft's organ for publication.Thankfully I will probably have the Flyfishers Journal for succour the month it is published.

ZH

[rpsalmon]

Dear Castslikeaghille
Amused by your comments, it is interesting that you have decided what I don't know as fact, but without any evidence. I note that you also avoided the point over his naive knowledge of a technique that was bettered by our predecessors of a century ago.

[salmonking]

Slightly off the subject,but regarding the t&s,a magazine i often buy ,but often wonder why,,,,,,i tend to think a lot of their articles
falsely promote certain rivers and can lets say dupe the reader.
I remember an article by a guy who i shall not name called windfall on the whiteadder,this person glorified the river so much it even got me thinking,anyway he was promoting his beats and had guys coming from all over the country paying some serious cash only to find a shrunken river totally devoid of fish ;D,i remember speaking to a few of them,and their comments could certainly not grace this board,,hence the fact the article failed to state that without water,,,the ££ they were paying could have been put to better use wiping their ar@se.

[greenbanks]

rpsalmon said:

Dear Springer
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Dear Greenbanks
Since you clearly haven't bothered to read, understand or comprehend my remarks, and taking into consideration the rules regarding insulting other people, you will hardly be surprised to find I won't be replying to your remarks. I am sorry you feel it necessary to misrepresent my remarks.


Whatever you think, please read the books of the authors I mentioned. They were very experienced anglers and the information they passed on is invaluable. Learn, use and practice their methods and you will find a new understanding of salmon and salmon fishing.

In response to para 1 Isn't this a reply RP? Or have I really misunderstood you? ;)
When you stick your head above the parapet and have a go at someone well respected by many on this forum you are bound to provoke a response or did you not understand that?
I read in the bible years ago what sin was and oh golly gosh try as i might i became a sinner Hell and damnation must read the scriptures again .I take it you have not been invited by T&S this year to write something for their publication :P.Someone as well read as you would have to have something of real value to say eh?
My first post was put up or shut up in a more polite form.
You haven't put up anything constructive other than "read what somebody wrote yonks ago and understand it and use it".I recall another well respected writer and angler who said that angling attracts more idiots than any other sports,he might have been onto something there eh?
Can see a mad dash to the library by all the budding salmon youth of today to hire their Pashley et al. The salmon youth of today will in all probability be like the youth of yesteryear far more likely to pick up an informative magazine like T&S than a fishing novel and anyway is it uncool to hang out in the library these days?It was in the sixties as they were full of ahem coffin dodgers."Och aye son in ma day it was like this........" ;)

[castlikeaghille]

rpsalmon said:

Dear Castslikeaghille
Amused by your comments, it is interesting that you have decided what I don't know as fact, but without any evidence. I note that you also avoided the point over his naive knowledge of a technique that was bettered by our predecessors of a century ago.

Very well rps...I call you

[rpsalmon]

Dear Zephead
I've forgotten how long I've known Bill Currie, but he wouldn't have regarded his books as contributing to salmon angling in the same way as Balfour-Kinnear! Hugh Falkus was a great laugh and a good angler, his book is quite solid but is a good practical guide and not really for the advanced. Waddington was an intelligent man and I have his books, problem is that time has found out a number of his theories to be "suspect", but is definitely worth a read. Ashley Cooper's books are interesting but aren't going to give you anything really different than is available elsewhere.
For a good practical guide a would recommend Jack Hughes Parry's Fishing Fantasy...but he's dead too!

[jock]

williegunn said:

rpsalmon, I do the grumpy old sod on here, .

And he is very good at it too ;D Still nothing like a bit of competition to spice things up.

rpsalmon, you certainly have arrived all guns blazing.

[donnieW]

rpsalmon said:

Dear Zephead
I've forgotten how long I've known Bill Currie, but he wouldn't have regarded his books as contributing to salmon angling in the same way as Balfour-Kinnear! Hugh Falkus was a great laugh and a good angler, his book is quite solid but is a good practical guide and not really for the advanced. Waddington was an intelligent man and I have his books, problem is that time has found out a number of his theories to be "suspect", but is definitely worth a read. Ashley Cooper's books are interesting but aren't going to give you anything really different than is available elsewhere.
For a good practical guide a would recommend Jack Hughes Parry's Fishing Fantasy...but he's dead too!

rps, I wasn't sure if you were being serious with your posts or taking the piss. Thanks for confirming the latter.

[rpsalmon]

Dear Greenbanks
I made a point about a technique that was bettered a hundred years ago, I found it naive and unsophisticated. Were I to answer all the various points made by all the various anglers I would be forced into a situation of stating lengthy points that would not only bore me to tears, but which would I believe fall foul of the rules of this site.

I repeat my remarks, read the books, learn the techniques and use your brains. Obviously I won't be impressed if someone comes up with a technique that was bettered 100 years ago.

[greenbanks]

rpsalmon said:

Dear Greenbanks
I made a point about a technique that was bettered a hundred years ago, I found it naive and unsophisticated. Were I to answer all the various points made by all the various anglers I would be forced into a situation of stating lengthy points that would not only bore me to tears, but which would I believe fall foul of the rules of this site.

I repeat my remarks, read the books, learn the techniques and use your brains. Obviously I won't be impressed if someone comes up with a technique that was bettered 100 years ago.

Suppose opinions are like arseholes......we've all got one eh

[rpsalmon]

Dear Willie Gunn
You bring back so many good memories of spring fishing with your namesake on a fully sinking line, ahh it is amazing how many people have not used a fully sinking line or have never seen a 40 yard DT Wetcel 2! Have always preferred Bill Currie's/Rob Wilson's brora flies on brass wire body, magic!
The "youngsters" around today are easily upset. So many of them think they are "experts" because they've paid hundreds or thousands of pounds for fishing and then caught fish, or because they have got six Sage's and two hundred T&T's with countless reels and lines, not to mention a cart full of flies. When I mention Grant to most people they assume I am talking about someone who led Union forces into the deep south!
It is always dangerous when people put someone on a pedestal!

[macd]

rpsalmon said:

What you must do is think for yourself.

thats fine in theory, but how should we go about it?

[rpsalmon]

Stone age?
When you need 25-30 yards outside the tip and spare line to shoot, and then HAVE to quickly mend it, then there isn't anything stone age about a 40yrd DT Wetcel 2.
I'm not one of these "modern anglers" who are always practicing what used to be described as "spinning" with "spey lines" and objects that defy the description of "fly"!
I use all sorts of fly line, but I don't spin on fly water!

[ibm59]

rpsalmon ,
Just what I've been waiting for .
Someone who seems to know it all.

Answer this one then , pal.
For the first time in over thirty years I've not caught a salmon by this stage of the season. Why?
Answer on the back of a postage stamp please.
Please pass on my kind regards to Mr Currie , a truly inspirational writer.
Regards.
BtB.
ps . I used my 30 yd DT 8 Wetcel 2 after seatrout this evening and bloody good it was too.

[robbie]

I found "Fishing With Mr Crabtree" and the "Eye Spy book of Fishing" books slightly less heavy reading than Balfour Kinnear. The Crabtree book is a bit big but the pictures are nice, however the Eye Spy book is super as it fits nicely into a wading jacket pocket for quick riverside reference.

[macd]

rpsalmon said:

Stone age?
When you need 25-30 yards outside the tip and spare line to shoot, and then HAVE to quickly mend it, then there isn't anything stone age about a 40yrd DT Wetcel 2.
I'm not one of these "modern anglers" who are always practicing what used to be described as "spinning" with "spey lines" and objects that defy the description of "fly"!
I use all sorts of fly line, but I don't spin on fly water!

Can we get one for the line pool?

[castlikeaghille]

castlikeaghille said:

rpsalmon said:

Dear Castslikeaghille
Amused by your comments, it is interesting that you have decided what I don't know as fact, but without any evidence. I note that you also avoided the point over his naive knowledge of a technique that was bettered by our predecessors of a century ago.

Very well rps...I call you

I see you have decided to fold. However, I will answer your questions anyway.

1) On the first point have you ever met or fished with the gentleman in question?

2) I have read most of the books you list. To suggest how PF fishes spring lies with shooting heads was well documented 100 years ago in these is, with respect, and being very generous, tenuous. To take your contention further that he is naive and inexperienced ranks alongside "The World is flat" in credibility and understanding.

Regards

CLaG

[williegunn]

rpsalmon said:

Dear Willie Gunn
You bring back so many good memories of spring fishing with your namesake on a fully sinking line, ahh it is amazing how many people have not used a fully sinking line or have never seen a 40 yard DT Wetcel 2! Have always preferred Bill Currie's/Rob Wilson's brora flies on brass wire body, magic!!

No not you will catch nothing on that set up, you now require a Jocky Monteith Multi-tip line with compensator and type 6 sinking tip coupled with a yellow orange and black temple dog on a Frodin turbo disk!!! A Brora shank, laughable.

Now where is the sarcastic smiley face?

rpsalmon said:

When I mention Grant to most people they assume I am talking about someone who led Union forces into the deep south!
It is always dangerous when people put someone on a pedestal!

I assumed you were talking about the wizzard of the Ness!!