New & up to date Salmon Fishing Book ?

[madkeen]

RPS why would you want involved with a book on salmon fishing when you've already made it clear that you won't waste your time with some beginner's because they're beyond help. Why don't you post a topic on how we can all copy your technique and be forever succesful? We've all met your type before hiding your flies and when asked what's been succesful you give some vague answer. Yes the guys on this forum are'nt worthy to lace your wading boots but I know that any I have asked for help or advice have given it.

[Fruin]

Books, forums; I like them all regardless of format and calibre of contributor. Over time the number of members on this forum has increased at an impressive rate, and as a consequence , we have all been blessed with even more experienced and imaginative anglers, as well as less experienced anglers.
Anybody who is a musician, will appreciate that there is much to be learned by studying the style of complete amateurs. Many less experienced musicians have a particular style that is all their own and creates something new and effective.
Any experienced angler that feels they have nothing to gain by fishing with, and conversing with, less experienced anglers is sadly mistaken.
This is why I find most books, programmes, DVDs, magazines, and websites on fishing enjoyable. Even if I do not always agree with the author/presenter/contributor, I always enjoy hearing another person's views. I really do hope that this does not change as I improve my knowledge and techniques, as that improvement will surely cease when my ears are blocked by the cheeks of my ar*e!

[rpsalmon]

I note the last two respondents failed to make any kind of contribution to the topic.

Dear Madkeen
Since the basis and conclusion of your contribution are straight out of your own head, and are not shared by me, I suggest you answer your own questions.

[Fruin]

RPSalmon,

If we have individual contributors to each section, is that not an extended magazine, rather than a book? As I hinted at in my last post (perhaps too subtle), the main enjoyment of a non-fictional book for me is to read and divulge the authors philosophy. If the book is compiled by many different writers, it becomes fragmented and the continuity and enjoyment are lost, IMHO.
People buy books, not only because of that facts or tales contained within, but for the love of the writers style. I suggest that there is no correct format, it is the content and style that are important. Format will ease or restrict the content, depending on the writers style and the constraints he/she is placed under.

[rpsalmon]

Sorry that I missed your point.
I think there has to be a specific format if anything is to be planned, especially if there is a Wikipedia format. I mainly buy books for technical and educational purposes, I have bought and enjoy Bill Currie's and others books so I'm not strict about this. Of course there would be room for this sort of writing, and indeed I think that taking the example of Bill Currie's books which aren't technical manuals, that they have probably attracted far more people into salmon fishing than Balfour-Kinnear. We learn much through stories and they would be invaluable in educating and entertaining, its just where in a story it would say the words "Tweed" or "Sniggling" they would be hot linked to the river description and then a technical description of something that "used to take place" on the Tweed.

[davewallbridge]

rpsalmon said:

I note the last two respondents failed to make any kind of contribution to the topic.

Dear Madkeen
Since the basis and conclusion of your contribution are straight out of your own head, and are not shared by me, I suggest you answer your own questions.

On the contrary. I believe both of the posts preceding yours made a valuable contribution.

Fruin's comments were, in my opinion, particularly apposite to the discussion.

That you did not feel madkeen's suggestion fitted you vision of how these threads should develop is irrelevant.

Just because you started this topic does not mean that you may act as the sole arbiter as to what should be deemed as a valuable contribution to it or that you may dictate in what directions the discussion should go.


This is a public forum where anyone can express their views and everyones contribution should be welcomed.
You have asked the members of this site for their comments and advice. They, in turn, have taken the time and made the effort to respond in whatever way they felt was appropriate.
You may not agree with with what a contributer has posted but that is not a reason to dismiss their efforts out of hand. To do so is just plain rude.

Dave.

[billytheghillie]

RP you seem to be well up on the art of sniggling, maybe you are one of them. Dont slate the tweed its a lovely river and gives me my bread and butter!

[rpsalmon]

Dear billietheghillie

My example did connect the Tweed with another word, that word represented a practice that was carried on to an astonishing degree many years ago, fortunately things have changed. Sadly it may be impossible to say it still didn't take place on all rivers.

Dear Silver Stoat
I agree with your views I will summarise as respect for others. Having again read the post to which you refer I have to admit only beginning to see the relevant point after reading the following post, I had even thought it was relevant to another topic on the website. I am delighted that someone took the time to respond to the actual subject matter rather than simply argue or complain about something I hadn't written.

Do you think the imaginary pool type system previously outlined, taking and educational and technical approach, would be better than a story using creative writing as a method to educate an angler on how to fish a pool?

[ceilidh]

In the archives of this Forum there is a wealth of really useful information, presented in a variety of styles by beginners and experts alike. Whilst it might not be technically possible, something which would make a valuable reference source would be a distillation of the best of the informative posts on the Forum, indexed by subject, and linked in such a way (if this is possible) that all the posts on a particular topic could be opened as a single thread. (similar to Wikipedia)

Obviously this would require a considerable input of time in editing, indexing and compiling the threads and this would be an ongoing process, since there would be a constant updating of the contributions.

For this reason we might consider making access to this "Index" a subscription only thread, in order to reward the member or members prepared to devote the necessary time and expertise to managing the project.

I think that, unless we were all prepared to accept a considerable degree of editing, the content would soon become so large that much of its use as a reference work would be lost.

If this idea appealed to members we would need to consider three factors; 1. Would any members be prepared to undertake the task of editing and compiling the index? 2. would enough of us be prepared to pay a modest subscription to access this? (obviously this subscription would apply only to the index and not to the general Forum)3. Probably the most contentious obstacle, would we be able to agree upon an editorial panel, whose decisions would be final?!!
In spite of the opinions expressed by RPS in this thread, questions asked by beginners are an essential and valuable part of the Forum as is the sometimes conflicting advice given in response to these.
The success or failure of such a project would depend very largely upon the skills of the editor(s). The index would need to be very comprehensive and broken down into a number of sub-sections, which could be printed out and kept for reference if necessary.

[rpsalmon]

Based upon contributions to date, there appears to be a current consensus for a Wikipedia type element on this web site. Does anyone know whether it is possible to insert hotlinks between various postings? Having recently tried to put just an image on the site (and failed) I don't know whether it would be possible to put on a hotlink, and even if we did, does the proboard system allow these (either in terms of rules or memory/processing capacity)?

There would be no need to hurry in such a project, it would succeed or fail based upon the contributors (at least dozens needed), and any contributor would have to accept (as I would) that there are people with more knowledge on particular subjects, or just better writing skills.

Perhaps Mr Gunn would care to comment?

[greenalert]

billytheghillie said:

RP you seem to be well up on the art of sniggling, maybe you are one of them. Dont slate the tweed its a lovely river and gives me my bread and butter!

Anybody tell me what sniggling means?

[sagecaster]

Are you taking the moral high ground and having a laugh? ;D

Deliberately foul hooking. The culprits tackle up for it too, fast sinkers with 35lb mono and massive trebles. I've heard it mentioned on Spey side as "ripping". Thankfully its mostly in the past.

[zephead]

Shakespeare Ugly Stik,500 grain head,tube "fly" made out of a biro tube wide enough to take a the head of a Mustad 4/0 sea treble connected to the fly line with a foresaid mono.

Ideally fished amongst the serried ranks of back end fish above Walkerburn and once it comes through the pool you lift hard when you feel it against a fished flank or above a well known lie................allegedly your honour.

Not as much fun as burning the water though and drier than noosing.

ZH

[ibm59]

zephead said:

made out of a biro tube wide enough to take a the head of a Mustad 4/0 sea treble connected to the fly line with a foresaid mono.
Ideally fished amongst the serried ranks of back end fish above Walkerburn
ZH

Always wondered about the dressing for the " Walkerburn Angel "
Cheers ZH. ;D

[juniorspey]

a conversation that once took place at walkerburn went
"why do you use a black fly?"
"so that they cant see it coming!"

its good that on basicly all scottish rivers, sniggling,pulling,ripping seems to have died out, it was at one time common on the spey too.

[splash]

ibm59 said:

zephead said:

made out of a biro tube wide enough to take a the head of a Mustad 4/0 sea treble connected to the fly line with a foresaid mono.
Ideally fished amongst the serried ranks of back end fish above Walkerburn
ZH

Always wondered about the dressing for the " Walkerburn Angel "
Cheers ZH. ;D

Quite. I wonder if Scientific Anglers ever did manage to work out that 95% of the sales of the original WF15 HiSpeedHiD originated within a 5 mile radius of Walkerburn I can imaigine a techhead at SA wondering why so many billlfish anglers lied in such an enclosed area of Southern Scotland ;D

[rpsalmon]

Dear Splash - Highly amused. I believe such practices could be appropriately covered in the history section of a book or web site, or indeed the duties of an angler in policing their own water.

Fortunately The Tweed is better policed by both anglers and authorities. Can I move the thread on, just as The Tweed's reputation has moved on, to the topic of a "New & Up to Date Salmon Book or web section".

[greenalert]

sagecaster said:

Are you taking the moral high ground and having a laugh? ;D

Deliberately foul hooking. The culprits tackle up for it too, fast sinkers with 35lb mono and massive trebles. I've heard it mentioned on Spey side as "ripping". Thankfully its mostly in the past.

Thanks for that, heard of ripping but never sniggling

Cheers

[greenalert]

zephead said:

Shakespeare Ugly Stik,500 grain head,tube "fly" made out of a biro tube wide enough to take a the head of a Mustad 4/0 sea treble connected to the fly line with a foresaid mono.

Ideally fished amongst the serried ranks of back end fish above Walkerburn and once it comes through the pool you lift hard when you feel it against a fished flank or above a well known lie................allegedly your honour.

Not as much fun as burning the water though and drier than noosing.

ZH

Thanks, sounds pretty nasty

[ceilidh]

Silver Stoat,

Yes, I agree with your comments re the difficulties with such a web site.
Let's just hope that this Forum keeps on going for a long time!!

RPS,

There was a brave effort some years ago to produce something along the lines you suggest, but dealing with fishing waters rather than tackle or techniques. This took the form of a very nicely produced loose leaf binder with detailed maps and particulars of most of the major rivers in Scotland. Ir was quite expensive, but the subscription included regular loose leaf updates as details changed or new fisheries were added . I don't think they still publish in hardback but they have a website www.salmondirectory.com/