Post by f999 on Aug 14, 2007 10:23:45 GMT
I am amazed at hearing there is to be a fishtyne website in order for day ticket anglers to book day/week tickets on the Tyne, has the world gone mad?
I am talking about the river Tyne, not the Tweed, Tay, Spey or Dee etc. For a start, most of the salmon fishing on the Tyne is rubbish and actually it would probably be an offence against the trade descriptions act to call much of it “salmon fishing”. Much of the bank side is overgrown and impenetrable to all but the most seasoned Japanese Jungle Fighter or Mountain Climbing Specialist. Much of the water is single bank and therefore shared with another party, one of the best beats on the Tyne has to share with the worst “club” on the Tyne….commonly referred to as “thugs incorporated”, are impossible to fish with because they will have either hammered the pools night and day with Flying C’s or foul hooked most of the fish (in broad daylight), forget about taking turns...you've got to watch yourself! For legal reasons I’ll not explain about their cricket bats, chains and baseball bats…or vandalism and burning of vehicles…people getting beaten up etc!!!
Even just looking at the fishing, there are very few “beats” that have a lot of fly water, most is only suitable for spinning or shrimp/prawn. I’ve heard of two fishery owners who are keen to use a fishtyne web site but even the wealthy anglers who currently fish it wouldn’t pay the stupid money they are asking, very little of it is fly water but I bet they won’t tell you that! I simply find it impossible to believe there are that many salmon fishing mugs around the country that would actually want to fish on that sort of water for that money! On the best beat on the Tyne you won't catch a fish if the water goes above 16 cent, which is most of the summer! There are one or two stretches that are sort of suitable to buy a day ticket for, but usually the wading is difficult because unlike the classic salmon fishing rivers, the Tyne’s stretches have not been “worked” for a century or more to give easy wading. This year we’ve had virtually no salmon and even a vastly reduced numbers of sea trout, despite water!, the season has been a disaster and as usual…we Tyne anglers have to resort to praying. Even the owners of these supposedly "excellent fisheries" go to scotland when they want to catch salmon, what does that tell you! In the main it is good local anglers who have clocked up the actual number of fish caught, visiting anglers won't be able to get that number!
Also, the fishing is temperamental to the point of being hopeless at times. Despite part of the system “benefiting” from having Kielder reservoir, that is supposed to be the largest man made lake in Europe, we still don’t get the necessary releases of water throughout the summer and still face months of drought and no fish! The problems in the estuary still haven’t cleared up and we still get diseased and dying fish, last year quite a number of the fish I caught on the upper North Tyne (supposedly the premier/clasic fly part of the river) were diseased and had to be returned, I was so sickened I stopped fishing! Had I a shovel with me, I would have killed them and buried them!
Certain people have hyped the river Tyne to be something it isn’t, they claim 48,000 fish were counted on the fish counter in one year but don’t mention that only a small proportion of them are salmon. And if you live in the area and have spoken to people who’ve seen the fish counter in actual operation, it has even counted dace and chub shoals moving through the pass at the same time! No, no, no, I do not believe the counter figures are accurate! As for the fish catches, well, if you fish on the Tyne you will know that many people only have to look at a fish to claim to have caught it!!! When it gets to the back end, and most fish caught in the Tyne are coloured fish, anything goes on some beats. You can’t stop it because with roads and lots of access, the Tyne has always been such a public river, locals claim it as theirs are unless you are prepared for a couple of punch ups, you will have to accept people throwing in sticks for their dogs, swimmers, bad mannered and inconsiderate canoeists, vandalised cars etc etc etc. Only a number of well managed clubs keep things under control, if we didn’t there would be more of the foreign anglers turning up to fish with the claim that they have a ticket…but the only ticket they have is a bus ticket! And the illegal netting, ouch!
Certain fishing reports, including the one on a certain North Tyne Hotel website, report catches that aren’t even on their beats and yet don’t mention the repeated blanks from parties of anglers booked week after week, many of the anglers don’t even see a fish in their week and never come back. To me it is blindingly obvious that the Tyne is a low quality river and will never even compare, never mind match the quality or consistency of fishing on the Tweed. It is club and association water!
I ask you, would you want to pay £300 to 400 per day to fish a river like that?
I am talking about the river Tyne, not the Tweed, Tay, Spey or Dee etc. For a start, most of the salmon fishing on the Tyne is rubbish and actually it would probably be an offence against the trade descriptions act to call much of it “salmon fishing”. Much of the bank side is overgrown and impenetrable to all but the most seasoned Japanese Jungle Fighter or Mountain Climbing Specialist. Much of the water is single bank and therefore shared with another party, one of the best beats on the Tyne has to share with the worst “club” on the Tyne….commonly referred to as “thugs incorporated”, are impossible to fish with because they will have either hammered the pools night and day with Flying C’s or foul hooked most of the fish (in broad daylight), forget about taking turns...you've got to watch yourself! For legal reasons I’ll not explain about their cricket bats, chains and baseball bats…or vandalism and burning of vehicles…people getting beaten up etc!!!
Even just looking at the fishing, there are very few “beats” that have a lot of fly water, most is only suitable for spinning or shrimp/prawn. I’ve heard of two fishery owners who are keen to use a fishtyne web site but even the wealthy anglers who currently fish it wouldn’t pay the stupid money they are asking, very little of it is fly water but I bet they won’t tell you that! I simply find it impossible to believe there are that many salmon fishing mugs around the country that would actually want to fish on that sort of water for that money! On the best beat on the Tyne you won't catch a fish if the water goes above 16 cent, which is most of the summer! There are one or two stretches that are sort of suitable to buy a day ticket for, but usually the wading is difficult because unlike the classic salmon fishing rivers, the Tyne’s stretches have not been “worked” for a century or more to give easy wading. This year we’ve had virtually no salmon and even a vastly reduced numbers of sea trout, despite water!, the season has been a disaster and as usual…we Tyne anglers have to resort to praying. Even the owners of these supposedly "excellent fisheries" go to scotland when they want to catch salmon, what does that tell you! In the main it is good local anglers who have clocked up the actual number of fish caught, visiting anglers won't be able to get that number!
Also, the fishing is temperamental to the point of being hopeless at times. Despite part of the system “benefiting” from having Kielder reservoir, that is supposed to be the largest man made lake in Europe, we still don’t get the necessary releases of water throughout the summer and still face months of drought and no fish! The problems in the estuary still haven’t cleared up and we still get diseased and dying fish, last year quite a number of the fish I caught on the upper North Tyne (supposedly the premier/clasic fly part of the river) were diseased and had to be returned, I was so sickened I stopped fishing! Had I a shovel with me, I would have killed them and buried them!
Certain people have hyped the river Tyne to be something it isn’t, they claim 48,000 fish were counted on the fish counter in one year but don’t mention that only a small proportion of them are salmon. And if you live in the area and have spoken to people who’ve seen the fish counter in actual operation, it has even counted dace and chub shoals moving through the pass at the same time! No, no, no, I do not believe the counter figures are accurate! As for the fish catches, well, if you fish on the Tyne you will know that many people only have to look at a fish to claim to have caught it!!! When it gets to the back end, and most fish caught in the Tyne are coloured fish, anything goes on some beats. You can’t stop it because with roads and lots of access, the Tyne has always been such a public river, locals claim it as theirs are unless you are prepared for a couple of punch ups, you will have to accept people throwing in sticks for their dogs, swimmers, bad mannered and inconsiderate canoeists, vandalised cars etc etc etc. Only a number of well managed clubs keep things under control, if we didn’t there would be more of the foreign anglers turning up to fish with the claim that they have a ticket…but the only ticket they have is a bus ticket! And the illegal netting, ouch!
Certain fishing reports, including the one on a certain North Tyne Hotel website, report catches that aren’t even on their beats and yet don’t mention the repeated blanks from parties of anglers booked week after week, many of the anglers don’t even see a fish in their week and never come back. To me it is blindingly obvious that the Tyne is a low quality river and will never even compare, never mind match the quality or consistency of fishing on the Tweed. It is club and association water!
I ask you, would you want to pay £300 to 400 per day to fish a river like that?
