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Post by splash on Jun 4, 2007 22:35:08 GMT
Er Kaiser Wilhem does it really have an alpine flow regimen in June 2007 when there is he haw snow around? Je pens que non...
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Post by williegunn on Jun 4, 2007 22:44:07 GMT
There is still snow in the high corries and I would imagine there is a slight change in the height due to snow melt, but certainly it is more apparent earlier in the year, obviously.
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Post by castlikeaghille on Jun 4, 2007 22:54:20 GMT
Massacre? Visit the Grantown web site www.speyfishing-grantown.co.uk/aboutclub.htm You will note the large number of salmon caught on the "Spin" (= Rapalla) from the Lurg and Long Pool last Thursday 31 May - 30+. Well done Strath Macallan Locals - except, almost to a man it is alleged those salmon were chapped and a larger unspecified number of sea trout went the same way (sneaked away in black bags). I've now had that reported from two independent (and utterly appalled) witnesses. Jeez in this dismal spring would a spokesman for 'Local Worthies are Always Innocent inc' please explain why the witnesses were wrong and this hasn't happened - especially as it breaches all the Spey guidelines and selling rod caught salmon is illegal.   CLaG Strathspey Angling Association reported 24 for the week, I think "Massacre" is a bit strong How do your independent witnesses know the that the Spey Boards guidelines were broken? Have they been stalking anglers to ensure that they are retaining and selling their fish, how do they know that these anglers had not already returned 1 or more fish? I am anti spinning but over hyped posts like yours do not help anyone. Thank you Emperor for your quick response. Firstly, I do not claim to be an eye witness. I am asking a question based on reliable sources; but it is a question asked sincerely in the hope of being proved wrong. The witnesses in question have been season ticket holders at said water for 20 years + (and typically spend 4 - 6 weeks a year fishing there). So I think you will find they are fully aware of the Spey Code, know many of the 'characters' allegedly involved, alleged fate of said fish, and, were, I suspect unlike yourself, actually present at the scene...unless, of course you were either taking part yourself or watching without protest. As for reported catch stats on Speyside, you have from time to time refered to the fact that many beats don't like to report their true catches. If you weren't there yourself, I suggest you might like to obtain some independant accounts before commenting further. Regards CLaG P.S is it true you are the franchisee holder of Fish Spey as reported in this month's T&S? |
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Post by donsidecaster on Jun 4, 2007 22:59:32 GMT
Great News
glad the public association waters are getting succes.
Just shows you,right place & right time.Buying your way into
pretigious high cost beats doesnt allways pay off.
Looks like the Born again Purists & New age conservasionists
are a bit peeved this season.
Maybee next time after a blank week they could all team up
with KC & The Coconuts at Park & do a few cover versions!!!
"White Riot" by the Clash would be great,Splash could launch
his Political career, by singing " Power in the Hands for Those
Rich enough to Buy It"
Tight Lines to All
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Post by williegunn on Jun 5, 2007 7:45:55 GMT
Thank you Emperor for your quick response. Firstly, I do not claim to be an eye witness. I am asking a question based on reliable sources; but it is a question asked sincerely in the hope of being proved wrong. The witnesses in question have been season ticket holders at said water for 20 years + (and typically spend 4 - 6 weeks a year fishing there). So I think you will find they are fully aware of the Spey Code, know many of the 'characters' allegedly involved, alleged fate of said fish, and, were, I suspect unlike yourself, actually present at the scene...unless, of course you were either taking part yourself or watching without protest. As for reported catch stats on Speyside, you have from time to time refered to the fact that many beats don't like to report their true catches. If you weren't there yourself, I suggest you might like to obtain some independant accounts before commenting further. Regards CLaG You are still writing these passionate pieces on hearsay, I was not there; you were not there either so I feel I have as much first hand knowledge as you have. As far as I am aware all beats return true to catch returns to the Scottish Executive otherwise they would be committing an offence, some beats are not keen on their catches being reported on a weekly /daily basis. P.S is it true you are the franchisee holder of Fish Spey as reported in this month's T&S? If it says so in Trout and Salmon it must be true. |
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Post by splash on Jun 5, 2007 10:53:19 GMT
Great News glad the public association waters are getting succes. Just shows you,right place & right time.Buying your way into pretigious high cost beats doesnt allways pay off. Looks like the Born again Purists & New age conservasionists are a bit peeved this season. Maybee next time after a blank week they could all team up with KC & The Coconuts at Park & do a few cover versions!!! "White Riot" by the Clash would be great,Splash could launch his Political career, by singing " Power in the Hands for Those Rich enough to Buy It" Tight Lines to All Hey, surely that should be "Complete Control" by the Clash "All over the news spread fast They're dirty, they're filthy They ain't gonna last!" |
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Post by castlikeaghille on Jun 5, 2007 21:32:27 GMT
Thank you Emperor for your quick response. Firstly, I do not claim to be an eye witness. I am asking a question based on reliable sources; but it is a question asked sincerely in the hope of being proved wrong. The witnesses in question have been season ticket holders at said water for 20 years + (and typically spend 4 - 6 weeks a year fishing there). So I think you will find they are fully aware of the Spey Code, know many of the 'characters' allegedly involved, alleged fate of said fish, and, were, I suspect unlike yourself, actually present at the scene...unless, of course you were either taking part yourself or watching without protest. As for reported catch stats on Speyside, you have from time to time refered to the fact that many beats don't like to report their true catches. If you weren't there yourself, I suggest you might like to obtain some independant accounts before commenting further. Regards CLaG You are still writing these passionate pieces on hearsay, I was not there; you were not there either so I feel I have as much first hand knowledge as you have. As far as I am aware all beats return true to catch returns to the Scottish Executive otherwise they would be committing an offence, some beats are not keen on their catches being reported on a weekly /daily basis. P.S is it true you are the franchisee holder of Fish Spey as reported in this month's T&S? If it says so in Trout and Salmon it must be true. Emperor, under the laws of evidence, two independant and corroborated witnesses is admissible, not hearsay, under both English & Scotts law. Converesley your well meant posts are hearsay and unadmissible. Secondly, I note there is, so far, not a single voice from all the Macallanside based contributors to this site, other than you as, attempting to deny what has alleged to have taken place. As Denis Healey once memorably said: "When you are in a hole stop digging". Emperor, sh*t happens - respectfully suggest you might use your influence to protest so it doesn't happen again rather than taking pot shots at the messenger  .... Regardeth CLaG |
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Post by williegunn on Jun 6, 2007 7:49:40 GMT
Clag, when your two independent witnesses come on here and post under their real names, that will be evidence, when you post what they have told you I still say that is hearsay.
Alan it is good that you were able to see how the Strathspey Angling Association was run in your one week’s holiday.
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Post by donsidecaster on Jun 6, 2007 23:46:30 GMT
Hi All
in response to the various threads regarding alleged angling on Speyside & the contensious subject of Catch & release
Why doest the Fishery Board enforce C & R,or certainly encourage it for the benefit of everyone.Now & the Future
Castle Grant have been giving sides of Smoked Salmon to Clients
who return fish for years. This Idea & practice could easily be done through out the River by all Beats & even on other Systems.
The Spey & District Fishery Board appear to have a differant outlook to Stocking Policy,maybee against the White Coat Brigade
but along the same lines as the Tay Foundation.
Whats happening on Deeside,very little in numbers regarding fry
in Hatcheries.Shouldnt they be boosting numbers with the Imminent possibility of GS,as the boffins have predicted.What about the large Floods & Red washouts??
What has Crown Estates( Balmoral) or Park done in the last 15 + years when the Spring Runs allegadly collapsed.Wheres the Spring Smolt Programme/ Enhancement in the Upper Dee.
Tight Lines
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Post by williegunn on Jun 7, 2007 7:50:41 GMT
Hi All in response to the various threads regarding alleged angling on Speyside & the contensious subject of Catch & release Why doest the Fishery Board enforce C & R,or certainly encourage it for the benefit of everyone.Now & the Future It does www.speyfisheryboard.com/spey_proj_conservation_car.htmThe policy encompasses three key elements; 1. CATCH & RELEASE Until 30th June each angler must return the 1 st , 3 rd , 5 th etc. fish caught. After 30 th June all hen salmon and hen grilse must be released. Throughout the season all stale or gravid fish must be released. Escaped farmed salmon must be retained. Other Elements 2. METHOD 3. FISHING EFFORT. To enforce these rules would require the Scottish Executive to produce a statutory act and then even bleeding damaged fish would have to be returned. The Spey has one of the best C&R records in Scotland with over 73% Castle Grant have been giving sides of Smoked Salmon to Clients who return fish for years. This Idea & practice could easily be done through out the River by all Beats & even on other Systems. It is, Cairnton on the Dee and the Brahan beats on the Conon also have given out sidesof farmed salmon. I am not convinced this is a great idea. The Spey & District Fishery Board appear to have a differant outlook to Stocking Policy,maybee against the White Coat Brigade but along the same lines as the Tay Foundation. The Spey's policy is under constant review and refinement. |
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Post by stoater on Jun 8, 2007 16:41:57 GMT
The Clash, on Speyside! Talk about full circles, not sure if ol' Mr.Strummer would be pleased or appalled!
They were Magnificent. Sure he would have preferred Grantown too, I just have an image of Joe, Topper, Paul et al waiting their turn.....
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Post by splash on Jun 8, 2007 17:27:23 GMT
The Clash, on Speyside! Talk about full circles, not sure if ol' Mr.Strummer would be pleased or appalled! They were Magnificent. Sure he would have preferred Grantown too, I just have an image of Joe, Topper, Paul et al waiting their turn..... Their headgear from the cover of Sandanista might have been deemed as "not appropriate " on some beats.  Never saw them wearing any tweed though..... |
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Post by JJ on Jul 4, 2007 11:49:34 GMT
I got a nice fish from Little Stream two weeks ago.
What a nice beat it is round there. Met a fella in Mortimers who kept rubbing my back hoping to get some luck off me.. a treasured moment that was.
The fly I had it on was a Size 10 double, brown and red shrimp with a blue hackle.
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Post by robmason on Jul 4, 2007 18:52:50 GMT
Good to hear about the fish JJ, well done. Was it a good size?
Rob
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Post by JJ on Jul 9, 2007 15:34:38 GMT
Yeah it went back so I didnt weigh it but I guess about 4-5lb
Wonderful moment all round, great memories!
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Never saw them wearing any tweed though.....