Club Waters

[salmonking]

I think ,,,personally,,and i know I'm going to get shot at here
esp,,,by some guys that i know,,but anyway,,,some club water's are too cheap,so id up the price ,in my experience this would
stop the over roding to a certain extent,,we get guys coming from all over who have little or no respect for our club water,they come because its cheap,and their own water's are buggered ,,
mainly due to lack of respect,,,upping the price would stop ,,not all but a good few,of the bandits Ive met,,,how do i know,,because Ive asked them ;D

NOW FIRE

[rpsalmon]

Bill Currie was spot on when he said everybody's fishing is nobody's fishing.

Sadly when demand outstrips supply there has to be some management of rods on water, and that should mean either booking or restrictions on members to associations/clubs. Also, when you have right so and so's being banned from one water it is inevitable that they will get up to their normal practices on your water.

I don't think there is anything wrong in giving priority to local anglers on a permanent basis, and allowing some others to fish on potentially renewable visitors ticket .

[elwyman]

I like the bookable system as it does stop overcrowding - but it's a pain when you can't get on your favourite beat when conditions are good. I'd prefer to have beats bookable in half days instead of full days - some rods will just fish for a couple of hours anyway, which is a waste of a full day booking.

I suppose having some non-bookable water is a good compromise.

[salmonking]

I would agree there rps,,,also id like to point out that not all the visiting anglers are bad,,some of the locals need to look in the mirror as well.

[rpsalmon]

I quite accept local anglers can be a problem but with a threat of expulsion they should be easier to manage.

The best system for booking waters operated successfully for all the years it operated in a syndicate I was part of (it was about 10 years ago). It was that a booking angler could book up to 3 full days at once but would have to pay an advance booking fee of £20 per day/£10 per half day, upon receipt of a catch return for that booked fishing the person would either have the fee returned (or what actually happened, each angler paid £60 at the start of the season and knew that if he didn't turn up for a day then he would lose £20!-the remainder being carried forward), while this was a little bit of bother in terms of paperwork, it worked. If an angler booked more than a day's fishing and didn't turn up, and didn;t give 24 hours notice, he would be automatically restricted to booking one day at a time for the rest of that season. A little tough, but then we had to tackle the situation of members booking fishing (2 days to 2 weeks) in the prime of the season and not turning up to fish a river that was full of fish.

[billytheghillie]

Do you want a loan of my mirror colin? ;D ;DP.S.i hear you are going to visit your new boyfriend this week.

[salmonking]

Got pleanty on my bedroom ceiling Billo.
Just ask Scott ;D

As for bans your right,,,hopefully after this year's AGM,,our club will have some new regulation's in place.

[tweedsider]

Salmonking you are right on in one part of your post "getting shot".

[tweedsider]

I gather salmonking you are talking about our local association. We are very generous towards visiting anglers compared to most of the association waters I have fished in recent years. Mainly I reckon that I will pay the same for a week on most waters as locals pay for a season. Most Clubs will have a set area where anglers qualify for locals season ticket, our club grants these to everyone.

salmonking said:

Got pleanty on my bedroom ceiling Billo.
Just ask Scott ;D

As for bans your right,,,hopefully after this year's AGM,,our club will have some new regulation's in place.

[hornet]

Never fished a club water so can't comment.

I would like to think that more stricter rules would be put in place to deter any visiting chancers or local mafia tinks.

SK, The mafia have loads of bullets

Hornet

[tweedsider]

Hello Hornet Other than an occasional invite to private beats 90%of my fishing is done on club waters. Some of these are excellent and on a club water I have had 5 grilse in one 6 hour session, 11 grilse and two salmon for 4 days over a 7 day period. Of course this only happens when conditions are right, the old story about salmon fishing in my opinion is being at the right place at the right time. Besides on a Club water you don't have to tip the ghillie ;D

hornet said:

Never fished a club water so can't comment.

I would like to think that more stricter rules would be put in place to deter any visiting chancers or local mafia tinks.

SK, The mafia have loads of bullets

Hornet

[fishingd0]

I was brought up fishing on club waters (the Conon and the Ness). They are generally great places to fish, meeting a lot of interesting people and learning loads of tips and traditions that are not often found on the "beats".

Don't get me wrong, club waters can be frustrating places; with lots of people queuing to take a turn down the best pools and the odd lad with lead in his boots, but you just have to accept these things.

On the conon we only have two salmon pools, so to stop congestion, you can only land one salmon/grilse, after which you have to move to the lower part of the beat (sea trout fishing)for the remainder of your session. This has worked very well, giving the lads in the evening a good crack at the main pools.

I certainly would not raise ticket prices. Club waters should not be profit making and should be for the good of all, including those less well off.

[tweedsider]

Hello fishando Like you I really like club waters despite the snags you have just mentioned. Usually there is good crack and always a bit of advice, incidently some of the best casters, spey or overhead, I have been lucky enough to watch have been on club waters.

[salmonking]

He is the best caster Alan ;D ;D

Fishingdo,,£50 for the ,,march to sept on our club water is
too CHEAP,,after and before you must buy day tickets,id rather see the price go up to £150 and get the full year,even £200

DON'T SHOOT ALAN

[dunbar]

Whilst I don't particularly like Colin's suggestion of pricing people off, I fear it is the only solution that will work for some. The Peebleshire Salmon Fishing Association gets plagued with some real bottom-dwellers - foul hookers who come from afar because they know they can get on a water with plenty of fish for £40 a day.

[scotty]

do none of these club waters you all speak of have a committee who could police the water even when they are fishing themselves. the more honest local ticket holders could also police the water.

scotty

[hornet]

I have no doubt that many club waters are superb, infact when i asked a certain well known Speycasting instructor about fishing the Spey he highly recommended Grantown.

My problem is that i need to fish a few of them before giving a proper verdict.


Hornet

[tweedsider]

Yes it is cheap SK but the whole point of association water is to provide affordable fishing for the rank and file of anglers. The main snag with our bit is that when the levels fall to under a foot there is less fishable water. Fish and anglers tend to congregate in a few select pools, with some anglers tending to virtually camp out beside a select place. On the whole I think the place we fish is under less pressure than some of the Assoc water I have fished in recent years. There could well be quite a number of season ticket holders at £50 who will seldom set foot on the river. I dont mind them paying and not fishing.

OFF TO TRY AND BUY SOME HEAVY LOADS IN BUCKSHOT ;D

[neptune]

£50 is cheap for the season but if the price was put too high
less locals would be fishing & it would just become a haven for visitors as they would pay over the odds to fish on a river where only the "WELL OFF" fish
i have seen people fishing the same beat & not moving even if other anglers arrive maybe a time limit on pools with a minium time resting period should be enforced so if you turn up & some one tells you the pool is resting you should abide & not just have people just going up & down till all the fish hide or even stipulate times when the pools cannot be fished

[salmonking]

Now Mr Neptune,do you really want that CURSE lifted?

Quite the opposite,upping the £ ,would get rid of not only some of the bandit fishmonger visitors,,,but some of the skinflint mongers that think they are salmon fishers,,HARSH BUT TRUE.