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Post by madkeen on Apr 10, 2007 15:41:19 GMT
Rob i would take a couple of rods if your booking.
Alan
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Post by stoater on Apr 10, 2007 19:56:02 GMT
Greetings Zephead and Splash
Good to hear Ronnie on Upper Hendersyde is still there and "encouraging" his Rods. He has been there many many years, maybe that's what breeds the dour and pessimistic persona.
I have only fished there once, the first week of August a few years back. Very affordable, worked out at about 20 quid a day if you fished 3 rods (we fished 2).
Monday morning, following 2 weeks of hot, sultry weather....the River was low but at least it had risen about 2" on the Sat. Ronnie uniquivocally suggested we had wasted our time in even turning up: not want you want to hear when a friend has driven 400 miles that morning for his long-awaited trip. I felt on a right downer but we gave it a go, despite "hopeless" conditions.
The Monday morn set the tone for the week. First run down each pool, using small flies, always gave a few chances. We therefore limited our fishing effort very substantially, maybe 2-3hrs a day at most. It was fun. Ronnie made it plain that Grilse and Seatrout are not what he rates as "fish", all the same we landed about 13-15(can't recall) of these great summer travellers, with countless more lost.
So, when you are advised it's hopeless on a big Tweed-like river, it may well not be. Fish with a little thought, there's almost always a few fish there, I have had several similar scenarios. Mind you I could never imagine how many "Proper Fish" Ronnie has seen. Shame though that it kills the enthusiasm, one man's "not worth a cast today" can be another man's day to remember.
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Post by sagefly on Apr 11, 2007 9:15:07 GMT
A few of the boatmen on Tweed are disillusioned at the way the river is now being run and their beats managed by owners who are looking at profit before welfare. Many of the boatmen beleive that fishers are being ripped off by avaricious beat owners etc etc.
Maybe it is a sign of the times as the more "traditional" owners and their boatmen seem to ave retained the good working relationsips built up over years.
Change may be a good thing or it may be a bad thing time will tell.
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Post by zephead on Apr 15, 2007 22:32:15 GMT
Aah Stoater-a man after my own failing heart when this is dished out to long travelled guests in the car park at the start of the week.
You've missed out great Monday morning catch phrases like"you'll nae catch a fish on ma beat wi'a flee like that","Aye,well thees as were here last week has had the best o'it" and the immortal,with fish streaming thro the Mill Stream on an early November morning at 1'8" on the gauge,"Looks kinda empty tae me......"
I do think (after years of tears and inconsolable heartbreak on a Monday morning only to discover we were in for a good week by Saturday teatime)it has become a bit of mental tennis with the rods.
Wouldn't change him for the world now I have an understanding of the game,and in comparison to his old man,whose ability to work rods tickets is captured beautifully in Gareth Edwards old BBC feature on Junction fishing with Wee John as apprentice,he is clearly just holding up a longstanding family tradition.
You from Cheshire by any chance as I think my pal,the Earl of Chorley,took the scond half of your week which clashed with a bone fishing engagement?
ZH
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Post by Yorkshire Esk on Apr 28, 2007 18:50:16 GMT
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Post by splash on Apr 28, 2007 21:08:37 GMT
Aah Stoater-a man after my own failing heart when this is dished out to long travelled guests in the car park at the start of the week. You've missed out great Monday morning catch phrases like"you'll nae catch a fish on ma beat wi'a flee like that","Aye,well thees as were here last week has had the best o'it" and the immortal,with fish streaming thro the Mill Stream on an early November morning at 1'8" on the gauge,"Looks kinda empty tae me......" I do think (after years of tears and inconsolable heartbreak on a Monday morning only to discover we were in for a good week by Saturday teatime)it has become a bit of mental tennis with the rods. Wouldn't change him for the world now I have an understanding of the game,and in comparison to his old man,whose ability to work rods tickets is captured beautifully in Gareth Edwards old BBC feature on Junction fishing with Wee John as apprentice,he is clearly just holding up a longstanding family tradition. You from Cheshire by any chance as I think my pal,the Earl of Chorley,took the scond half of your week which clashed with a bone fishing engagement? ZH I booked a few days in June/July a couple of years ago: " I widnae bother coming" was the opener from oor Ronnie. I came at 5am and had a few sea trout. I was booked again the next week, there had been a wee rise and when I got "aye it might be ok" I was down like a shot. I got hee haw  |
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Post by zephead on Apr 29, 2007 14:15:06 GMT
"Its awfa' thin...............he'll be in yon necks if he's anywha' but the ainly chance is yer fust run doon wi' a wee fly and one of them intermediate tips...."
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Post by splash on Apr 29, 2007 16:47:59 GMT
A few of the boatmen on Tweed are disillusioned at the way the river is now being run and their beats managed by owners who are looking at profit before welfare. Many of the boatmen beleive that fishers are being ripped off by avaricious beat owners etc etc. Maybe it is a sign of the times as the more "traditional" owners and their boatmen seem to ave retained the good working relationsips built up over years. Change may be a good thing or it may be a bad thing time will tell. Its an interesting dynamic; beat owners are essentially driving out dedicated fishers who either can't pay, or as in several cases that I know of personally, have said enough is enough and won't pay these riduculously inflated back end prices. These anglers who have year on year put the numbers in the book are then backfilled with more an more more corporate rods, many of who don't have even the basic casting skills to get adaquate water coverage. One ghillie from a famous beat around Kelso told me that having anglers who a) can cast and b) are prepared to fish hard all day is the exception rather than the rule at the back end these days. The fact that numbers have been kepy up by late running grilse as opposed to genuine multi SW fish hides the problem to some extent but even corporate rods won't put up with this sort of thing forever  This type of pricing is now also affecting the spring fishing on some beats which is really sad. |
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Post by castlikeaghille on May 7, 2007 9:51:36 GMT
On a lighter note, Collie Wuff, Duncan Disorderly, the Womble and me were out fishing the Middle Canal on Saturday (St Boswells i.e. Mertoun) for Troots. A couple of observations: Despite the dead low water we did see a few salmon. CD was chatting to a salmon fuisher who said he had 4 in two days A run of salmon came through the beat during mid morning. A salmon that had just come through Upper Mertoun Cauld ignored my size 18 Parachute Adams - however, upstream Blankersyde managed a liced fished just before noon. On a longer term note, the water was absolutely chock-a-block with smolts and parr. The water was so clear, just about everywhere you looked they were there. It's a long time since I've seen densities like that on the Tweed. Hope springs eternal for the Upper Tweed in three - four years years time  Regards CLaG |
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Post by Yorkshire Esk on May 16, 2007 9:42:49 GMT
The rain over the weekend has certainly boosted catches numbers this week.
28 Monday
23 Tuesday.
Looks a promising week for those lucky ones.
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Post by elwyman on May 16, 2007 16:51:02 GMT
Oh to have a crystal ball!
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Post by salmonking on May 25, 2007 15:13:03 GMT
I fished pedwell this morning untill 12.30,water is in perfect order
for the beat ,fished all kinds of flees and at different depths ect..never saw a fish...so ill be hoping its going to produce later on this evening as i make another effort to get off the mark.
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Post by salmonking on May 25, 2007 21:06:22 GMT
Would have been a bonus just to see a fish,2 off lower down ,apparently both colored,this is pants,grilse to come?.....i well.....wait and see...not looking good. 16 fish tday from how many rods. |
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Post by dunbar on May 26, 2007 9:40:30 GMT
Very slow. I was going to take a day on one of the lower beats but going by the state of things I might be best saving £40. The Whiteadder is at 1" and hasn't benefited at all from the recent rain. Salmonking, do you think the fish will start moving up Whiteadder at all at that height?
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Post by salmonking on May 26, 2007 13:03:14 GMT
Dunbar,,,sea trout yes ,salmon IMO a definite no,there are a few sea trout in the river,and i have observed them running in low water,but the whitty ain't a great sea trout river,although a couple of guys i know did very well fishing in the dark last year.
Back on the salmon,they are there,and i reckon they came up in the last spate,or when the river was at a higher guage ,say over 1 foot,but if they;r not coming in to the tweed ,they wont be goin up the whitty,so the salmon i know of are potted and dark,though id gladly settle for 1,rain forcast tmorro and monday so my fingers are crossed,i'll be fishing if conditions are good.
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Post by stoater on Jun 14, 2007 19:53:18 GMT
If anyone would care for a Saturday on Horncliffe before the end of July please p.m. me. I may take a day but would sooner see it used rather than wasted. All I ask is that you thank and inform anyone who helps you (i.e. the gillie) of results. And a reciprocal invitation if you have the chance to do so.
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Post by stoater on Jun 21, 2007 20:46:43 GMT
Seems like a series of rises are currently keeping the system clean. So bag packed, off to W'adder or Till tomorrow then H'cliffe if she's not roaring on Sat, you never know
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Post by billytheghillie on Jun 26, 2007 19:19:52 GMT
tweed should fish tomorrow(wednesday 27 june) we are sitting at 3ft 8 here at tillmouth tight lines and screaming reels. p.s. remember to take the black deaths (flying cs) with silver blade.
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Post by greenbanks on Jun 26, 2007 19:43:22 GMT
tweed should fish tomorrow(wednesday 27 june) we are sitting at 3ft 8 here at tillmouth tight lines and screaming reels. p.s. remember to take the black deaths (flying cs) with silver blade. At least you mention these awful abominations are deadly for salmon and are really most ineffective for catch and release purposes.As a fellow Ghillie,on a top beat that responsibly promotes flyfishing at all times,as a method of assisting onward migration of fish to the Redds , and who has noted how desperate stocks are on all rivers this season,(Have you not!!)perhaps your comments could have been worded just a wee bit better Billy.There has never been a better time for promoting catch and release,where possible, as rivers need as many fish as possible to reach the redds.These lures invariably get lodged right down a salmons throat and are a nightmare to remove safely if you wish to return the fish. A dead fish cannot spawn and a hell of lot of posters here do like to return fish Billy. |
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Post by Yorkshire Esk on Jun 26, 2007 20:02:48 GMT
tweed should fish tomorrow(wednesday 27 june) we are sitting at 3ft 8 here at tillmouth tight lines and screaming reels. p.s. remember to take the black deaths (flying cs) with silver blade. At least you mention these awful abominations are deadly for salmon and are really most ineffective for catch and release purposes.As a fellow Ghillie,on a top beat that responsibly promotes flyfishing at all times,as a method of assisting onward migration of fish to the Redds , and who has noted how desperate stocks are on all rivers this season,(Have you not!!)perhaps your comments could have been worded just a wee bit better Billy.There has never been a better time for promoting catch and release,where possible, as rivers need as many fish as possible to reach the redds.These lures invariably get lodged right down a salmons throat and are a nightmare to remove safely if you wish to return the fish. A dead fish cannot spawn and a hell of lot of posters here do like to return fish Billy. Greenbanks. I think you will find that there are alot of people who fish the tweed or which ever river, do the catch and release, you need to read the threads more carefuly. In my opinion you can safely release a fish as easily if it is caught on a flying C, as a fly. All of the salmon and sea trout I caught have never swallowed a hook from a Flying C or any other type of lure any more than a fly. Surely a fly is more easy to swallow than a big lure. If you were out worming then yes the chance of a fish being hooked deeply is greater. As for the amount of rod caught fish, it is very tiny compared to fish that are caught in nets. How many fish have you caught have net marks on them? |
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This type of pricing is now also affecting the spring fishing on some beats which is really sad.
